Page 5 | So much for rioters deterrent sentences

RedToothBrush · 07/08/2024 17:04

Mrsdyna · 07/08/2024 13:03

We don't have space in the prisons.

There's a barge available I believe...

OhmygodDont · 07/08/2024 17:05

I thought there was still refugees on the barge. Maybe an empty island for all criminals.

wizzywig · 07/08/2024 17:09

I work in a criminal justice agency, so in my experience, it's totally the norm. And we push people with criminal records to get their cscs and other trade quals as they'll find it easier to get a job

Coughsweet · 07/08/2024 17:10

wizzywig · 07/08/2024 16:07

They're probably unemployed as their career or in trades. It's the norm to have a criminal record in the trades

Seriously? No wonder there are shortages if kids realise they are going to be looked down on like this. What a shitty thing to say.

Coughsweet · 07/08/2024 17:16

wizzywig · 07/08/2024 17:09

I work in a criminal justice agency, so in my experience, it's totally the norm. And we push people with criminal records to get their cscs and other trade quals as they'll find it easier to get a job

Surely it’s the other way around then, the people you see might mainly be in the trades (or encouraged in that direction by your agency) but that doesn’t mean the converse of “it’s the norm to have a criminal record in the trades”. Fucking hell.

wastingtimeonhere · 07/08/2024 17:19

Quite a few will come out not having seen the error of their ways but with more hatred at their perceived unjust treatment when the perpetrators of 'immigrants crimes' get less.

AgnesX · 07/08/2024 17:21

VanCleefArpels · 07/08/2024 12:36

They will however completely fuck up those peoples future employment prospects so there that….

Oh dearie me. My heart bleeds.

They should have thought of that shouldn't they.

MiriamMay · 07/08/2024 17:25

GPTec1 · 07/08/2024 16:48

One got 3 weeks!

18 months means less than a year in Prison but most importantly, very few will actually be arrested, let alone charged and sentenced.

However, they are looking at terrorism charges now, that may mean far longer in jail and might focus minds but if there is still a small chance of being sentenced, then maybe not.

Look at footie hooliganism? despite jail terms for many, its alive and kickin... excuse the pun.

For many people in this country, short jail sentences are not a deterrent at all.

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One did the offender that got 3 weeks do? Was he part of the groups who set fire to police cars etc?

Mrsjayy · 07/08/2024 17:26

wizzywig · 07/08/2024 17:09

I work in a criminal justice agency, so in my experience, it's totally the norm. And we push people with criminal records to get their cscs and other trade quals as they'll find it easier to get a job

Well for someone who works in criminal justice you are not particularly clear what or who you mean are you meaning some of your criminals are labourers or joiners which "trades" are you meaning. Are you always so dismissive of the people you work with/for .

Mumandcarer80 · 07/08/2024 17:28

It's not always the length of the sentence that has the biggest impact. It's the fact they have a criminal record. I do think they should be made to sit in a room and hear the stories of people who have flee'd war torn countries. The idiots who have used petrol bombs etc will be treated as terrorists and rightly so.

Gallowayan · 07/08/2024 17:29

crumblingschools · 07/08/2024 12:44

I wonder if it will stop people attending the counter protests as wouldn't want to risk getting a prison sentence

You don't get a prison sentence for protesting. The people involved are not protesting. They are being convicted for things like arson, criminal damage, assault, and hate crimes.

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WhatMe123 · 07/08/2024 17:30

The prisons are at breaking point.....at least some will loose their jobs etc can't see they're being any other option as there's nowhere to put these people

SallyWD · 07/08/2024 17:32

Gallowayan · 07/08/2024 17:29

You don't get a prison sentence for protesting. The people involved are not protesting. They are being convicted for things like arson, criminal damage, assault, and hate crimes.

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Exactly, protesting isn't a crime but rioting is. They're very different. Inciting racial hatred, criminal damage ‐ these are crimes.
I went to a counter protest at the weekend and was very peaceful and well behaved. I did nothing that could get me arrested! But I stood against a racist mob and that's what matters.

billysboy · 07/08/2024 17:54

Pity they couldn’t just shoot a few then hang a sign round their neck saying “ I behaved like a twat , are you ? “Then stick that all over their telegram pages

Cherry8809 · 07/08/2024 17:59

billysboy · 07/08/2024 17:54

Pity they couldn’t just shoot a few then hang a sign round their neck saying “ I behaved like a twat , are you ? “Then stick that all over their telegram pages

That seems like a well-balanced, healthy minded solution 🙄

swimlyn · 07/08/2024 18:23

Whenwillitgetwarm · 07/08/2024 13:04

Many of us know the type of animals running around destroying cars and setting fire to hotels. They were the ones at school who kept bunking off, weren’t interested, made ‘Swots’ lives hell. When teachers tried to discipline them, their mum, if she could be bothered, would ‘come up the school’ to scream at the teacher.

They left school at the first opportunity, with a reading age of 7 at best. They worked cash in hand in a trade, clocking off early on a Friday to go ‘up the pub’ and get coked up with the lads. Somehow they always seem to have a woman willing to take them on. Their poor neighbours have to listen to them effing and blinding. Their kids are out all hours, and when they go to school make the other kids and teachers lives hell.

They resent anyone who’s lives are more successful than there’s despite having done nothing to improve their own lives. They resent it even more if that person isn’t white.

When they reach retirement age they talk about having ‘worked all their lives’ when in reality they’ve been subsidised and have cost money, due to numerous A&E visits and lung issues from the fags.

Now them and their kids are running around like a pack of animals with England tattoos and flags, calling themselves patriots when they contribute the square root of fuck all and just take.

A good summary of where the UK is now.

All decent people are paying for these thick thugs. They have the nerve to blame immigrants for their problems.

One good thing is that their partners/wives will be able to get their ducks in a row while they're banged up.

Bloody testosterone cowboys!

Tattletwat · 07/08/2024 18:25

wizzywig · 07/08/2024 17:09

I work in a criminal justice agency, so in my experience, it's totally the norm. And we push people with criminal records to get their cscs and other trade quals as they'll find it easier to get a job

So you are talking rubbish.

You deal with a small amount of people in trades, and decided to tar people with same brush.

There is lots of criminals in every walk of life.

NotTerfNorCis · 07/08/2024 18:28

Prison is life -wrecking. Even a short sentence is extremely harsh for someone who's never been locked up before.

Readandwrite · 07/08/2024 18:31

GPTec1 · 07/08/2024 12:29

4 sentenced so far : 2 weeks, 3 years and two lots of 18months... for violence, attacking the emergency services, burning out a Police car, violent disorder & looting.

Quite honestly these sentences are beyond pathetic and will not stop anyone rioting.

Then we have very weak policing & lack of police numbers.

Bear in mind that those sentenced thus far pleaded guilty which means they get an automatic sentence reduction. If they had insisted on not guilty pleas there would have been the cost to tax payer of cost of remand time and the trial.

IslaDrive · 07/08/2024 18:35

OhmygodDont · 07/08/2024 15:59

Min security, low sentence. Three meals a day. TVs and games consoles in their cells, access to further education and work programs. Easy access to drugs too mind.

A cushty 6 weeks tbh.

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Have you ever been inside a prison? Ever known anyone who has had their freedom taken away by being locked away. Or are you assuming to stir up more hate?

The security, the attitudes, the building, the other inmates…

No choice if who you share with, no details of what the others have done.
A toilet in the cell.

I visited a prison. I had a panic attack on the way home, imagining how any of my DC’s would cope if they were ever locked away.

Absolutely horrific. Degrading, shameful, scary, it is the worst experience I've ever had.
Absolutely traumatised.

OhmygodDont · 07/08/2024 18:38

IslaDrive · 07/08/2024 18:35

Have you ever been inside a prison? Ever known anyone who has had their freedom taken away by being locked away. Or are you assuming to stir up more hate?

The security, the attitudes, the building, the other inmates…

No choice if who you share with, no details of what the others have done.
A toilet in the cell.

I visited a prison. I had a panic attack on the way home, imagining how any of my DC’s would cope if they were ever locked away.

Absolutely horrific. Degrading, shameful, scary, it is the worst experience I've ever had.
Absolutely traumatised.

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My friends son over 18 was in for stabbing (he lived) and stealing a moped off a Deliveroo driver. Then running and hiding.

He was out in a few months, he had a smart phone, a tv and console. His out on tag now and honestly I reckon he would do it again. He didn’t come out scared and traumatised it was all much of a joke. He was at a family fun day recently with cans of beer smoking weed. Fixed him well good. She still believes he was wronged and his her innocent baby boy.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 07/08/2024 18:43

I’m with you. However a Prison sentence will be the easy part it’s the coming out that will cause the problem for them when they have no job to go back to. A prison sentence doesn’t end the split second you walk out the prison gates.

IslaDrive · 07/08/2024 18:46

OhmygodDont · 07/08/2024 18:38

My friends son over 18 was in for stabbing (he lived) and stealing a moped off a Deliveroo driver. Then running and hiding.

He was out in a few months, he had a smart phone, a tv and console. His out on tag now and honestly I reckon he would do it again. He didn’t come out scared and traumatised it was all much of a joke. He was at a family fun day recently with cans of beer smoking weed. Fixed him well good. She still believes he was wronged and his her innocent baby boy.

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Maybe normalised in a life of low expectation and a familiarity with the system.

Maybe this is a criminal and his family who are not going to recognise and share how bad it is.
Admitting their own actions has brought about horrific experiences means being accountable and responsible. His DM the same. False bravado. Minimising.

If that is really true, why aren't we all committing crimes to gain a place.

OhMaria2 · 07/08/2024 19:04

betterangels · 07/08/2024 13:26

Presumably if they were actually educated they'd know better than to smash up things because they're angry at life.

Looking at this from the outside, it is shocking.

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Hang on, weren't some posh kids in the news during BLM for smashing up stuff?