To blame Nigel Farage personally for this mess.

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Some people are fundamentally unpleasant. We know that. Some people. a tiny minority, hold views that are unacceptable to general society. We had a system whereby they knew they were better off keeping their poison silent in their heads. Farage has given them a cloak of respectability, and a way of connecting with other likeminded psychos. And he has organised them. Now look where we are.

It is going to be interesting to see how many people convicted for these riots are the same people convicted in 2011. Some people will just jump on any excuse to join in and stir up disorder.

These people would be better off finding a sporting outlet for their energy and aggression, and learning to discipline it. But Farage has kicked it all up, purely because he needed personal supporters for personal power, and saw this demographic as an untapped source of numbers.

Hasn't prevented you from spewing utterly ignorant drivel, has it?

He should be arrested

Them too.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX

I'd expect nothing less from the likes of someone who believes in your daft ideology.

Not sure what this is in response to but happy to report I don’t read the DM and never will, so you’re welcome?

Read back a few pages and realised you’re just replying nonsense to everyone. Ok.

Time to take your own advice here.

He speaks for millions on immigration - if he didn't then Reform/UKIP/Brexit Party wouldn't get millions of votes. Millions of people wouldn't buy the Daily Mail (albeit newspaper circulation is drastically reducing across the board).

However, he was the individual most responsible for the majority Brexit vote which has caused untold damage to our economy which then contributes to the poverty and social problems that contributes to riots (which aren't happening in leafy areas).

I personally blame the Tories for refusing to act over immigration (saying one thing and doing another) and then having a referendum rather than addressing concerns.

Not any individual, it's a worldwide issue

@macaroniandcheeze

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But you took the risk of a thug throwing a brick at your DC. I wouldn't take that risk.

I didn't take my DC nor would I!

noblegiraffe
Dominic Cummings, the Campaign Director of Vote Leave wrote extensively about how not having a post-Brexit Leave plan was a deliberate decision on the part of the Vote Leave campaign. He knew that as soon as they tried to pin down anything concrete (e.g. leave the single market) they would lose votes. So the entire Vote Leave campaign was based around selling a vibe instead of a plan.

Vote Leave held a press conference two months before the referendum vote;

19 April 2016
Thanks to Michael Gove we know that Britain's future outside the EU would also be outside the single market.

So we can rule out our future looking like Norway or Iceland: both outside the EU but both members of the European Economic Area which pay for access to the single market and accept free movement of workers.

Vote Leave's future plan for the UK would be outside the EU and outside the EEA.

https://www.itv.com/news/2016-04-19/michael-gove-says-britains-future-outside-the-eu-would-also-be-outside-the-single-market-but-what-does-that-mean

You didn't read Dominic Cummings' blog then, Clav

You seem to think that everyone knew what they were voting for, and yet it was clear after the event that they didn't.

Yeah, the messaging from Brexiteers was really consistent & scarily accurate.

All blokes as well, leading us over a cliff.

Dominic Cummings is hardly the most reliable blogger.

Remain voters seem confused certainly - or they are being disingenuous.

You should have paid more attention before you voted - I knew I was voting to leave the single market. My previous link was from ITV - BBC and Channel 4 interviews here:

22 Feb 2016
Leader of the UK Independence Party Nigel Farage has said that he doesn't want the United Kingdom to be a part of the the European Single Market.

https://www.cityam.com/eu-referendum-ukip-leader-nigel-farage-says-he-doesnt-want-to-be-part-of-the-european-single-market/

BBC Andrew Marr interview with David Cameron here - 12 June 2016;

David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

the Leave campaign has made it clear that in order to restrict immigration and strike trade deals with countries outside the EU, Britain would have to leave the single market.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

Dominic Cummings is hardly the most reliable blogger.

Literally the director of the Vote Leave campaign talking about the campaign.

Did he miss the press conference then?

@Clavinova but to be frank the leave campaign were being somewhat disingenuous on saying 'to leave the EU to strike trade deals with country's outside the EU- ' we already had deals with many if not most when within the EU-even informal arrangements with USA under certain values ( which was good for mail order and small business). That wording implied we didn't have deals - but now would have the chance to have them- which was bullshit. I know because I had a lot of both EU and non EU business- Whilst EU trade has been hit for us, so has places like USA as those agreements no longer in place.

They also did the 'nothing would change sctick' lots of times- which of course wasn't true-you cannot just work there or move there if you fancy it-requires multiple hoops , job offers ( which it's far easier to employ an EU person) and large amounts of cash in bank in many cases, if at all .

'You ' may well have known fully what you voted for, lots of people simply didn't hear beyond the 'less immigration' dog whistle - and which has certainly not been the case - particularly much older people who just heard the bits that they wanted to hear without thinking of the whole picture.

Um, well he speaks for the 4 million that voted for him out of a population of 67 m

And DM had a readership of 2m out of the same population.

So he doesn’t really speak for ‘millions’

Well 4 million. But it’s pretty small out if the current population, even though he seems to continously get more air time than Taylor Swift and the Royals combined.

Most of your quotes appear to be not relevant to the actual vote or taken out of context, e.g. Johnson's Erasmus quote is from 2020, Daniel Hannan's quote is from early 2015, not 2016, Gove's quote is taken out of context - he meant we had control of when to trigger Article 50.

Crikeyalmighty
'You ' may well have known fully what you voted for, lots of people simply didn't...

Another remain voter who claims leave voters didn't know what they voted for.

David Cameron was campaigning for Remain, and Nigel Farage had his own racist Leave.EU campaign.

You must have seen all the post-Brexit regret videos from people who didn't think it would turn out to be shit like it has. And all the political indecision afterwards about what Brexit actually meant. Clear as mud.

noblegiraffe
You must have seen all the post-Brexit regret videos

Only a handful from leave voters - usually the same people revisited multiple times.

@JacquesHarlow yep- they are a big part of it too - as are the BBC for constantly grandstanding people like Farage, Kate Andrew's, oakeshott etc - giving them far more clout than any of the actual opposition parties at the time -

So many of these media and shrills were rarely scrutinised either when it came to subjects like immigration- why not ask why the figures pre Brexit were much lower and talk about the Dublin agreement for returning people, or why we no longer had the shared intelligence - it's all very relevant- nor did they ask why legal immigration is now so high - it's high because we created a climate where lots of good single youngish EU workers simply left - and replaced with people and families needing whole houses , healthcare, schools-

Because a lot of it came down to the fact that when it came to Brexit- the Tory's had no plan - they had pushed through an ideology that was designed to take back votes off Farages Brexit party and settle their own far right fruitcakes - they even got him to step out from putting up candidates in 2019 - paid him?? Who knows.