To think the anti-immigrations have BEEN "heard"?

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I posted something like this on one of the riot threads but it ws locked soon after.

Is anyone else getting really bored of people justifying racism, terror, violence and destruction by insisting how important it is that those who imagine asylum seekers are responsible for the country's problem are "heard".

Little reminder: It's exactly that particular obsession that led to the Brexit referendum in 2016, and the most radical - and destructive - political change of recent times.

There were several years in which the country barely discussed anything else. Farage and Johnson got to tell you in great detail how the reason you're poor is because of the black family down the road. And you got the choice of believing them, or not. You even got to make Johnson PM so he could "get Brexit done" and "level up" your community.

You've been taken for a ride. Asylum seekers rriving irregularly (via small boats etc) make up less than 5% of total immigration, which is coming down after peaking in 2022 (partly due to the Ukraine war, and other factors). Neither Tories nor Labour are going to radically reduce immigration because anyone having to ACTUALLY run the country can see that doing so will exacerbate the demographic time-bomb, reduce economic activity and decimate the NHS. You're poor because of 14 years of Conservative economic policy, not because of anyone's skin colour or passport.

Meanwhile: How many of us get to have a national referendum tailored around our favourite policy hobbyhorse? When is my referendum on industrial relations? On housing and land ownership? On the House of Lords? When do I get to be "heard"? Being heard doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you, or that you get to go out and beat up brown people because things aren't working out the way you imagined they would.

It's not that you haven't been heard. It's just that you were wrong.

I have thought about it. Can we get rid of the right-wing thugs and the people who incite them, that might be a good place to start?

Have you thought about it for long? Not sure how you get rid of people and you might find the reality much more difficult to deal with

Especially if riots increase and police don’t want the risk

It was one incident, and the killer got a whole life sentence. Three women were killed by a white man with a crossbow last month. Should we eject all white men from the country?

Some Muslim men are killers and sex pests. Some white British men are killers and sex pests. 89% of sex offences are by whites, versus 6% by Asians. Given that only 83% of the country are white, and 6% Asian, it’s the white British population who are more likely to be sex attackers.

This is not a race issue, it’s a gender issue. Women don’t go round killing and raping, men do.

Oh @Forestgreen19 I am sure everyone will be bending over backwards to hear your educated views.
You are very rude. Not everyone thinks the same way as you or has the same lived experiences. Just because you are all for immigration doesn't mean that you can ignore the very legitimate concerns that others have.
Must be so nice to live in your little bubble.

You seem to forget that to become a Doctor or nurse takes a university education, something that is put of reach of many people in this country.

I think you're spot on. We've just had an election where Labour won a landslide without any real enthusiasm for them and without them really having anything to offer (general admission there's no money and the Tories have destroyed the country).

Look where the riots have happened. Inner cities in northern England all where there's extreme poverty. Places ravaged by austerity, child poverty, food poverty, lack of housing, lack of good jobs, cost of living crisis. Now we've got a change of government and it's more of the same.

You are 100% correct OP. I almost posted the same thing out of frustration.

We’ve heard about their ‘concerns’ to the exclusion of all else for many years now. All government rhetoric has centred immigration for over a decade.

The ‘concerned’ got their Brexit, their Boris Johnson etc. They had Lee Anderson, Rees-Mogg, Patel, Braverman, May, Jenrick centering them. Sunak built his whole premiership around stopping the boats. Fuck the economy, education, health. They even supported Farage into an election win.

The concerned had the mainstream media solely focused on immigration. The Daily Mail, Telegraph, Express and GB News only paused for breath when the Queen died. They have Twitter (X) owner Musk amplifying their ‘concerns’.

Like the Pied Piper the rest of us have been following their tune into the cave all the way to shitsville.

I’m sick of hearing about their concerns to the exclusion of all else. It’s time to ignore them, they will never be happy. Look at their paramilitary wing fighting all over the streets. Jobless, toothless, thick. These are not the group connected to building a successful country. Enough. Ignore them and if they become violent, lock them up. Let us get on with rebuilding our economy, infrastructure and other major things.

It’s hard to do any building when you have riots breaking out, I’d put in policy to reduce that happening

It's not however the only incident where an asylum seeker/ failed asylum seeker has committed murder in the UK.

Women are statistically FIFTEEN times more like to suffer sexual assault at the hands of a white man than an Asian man.

Can I ask where I can verify this statistic? This research from Sweden shows exactly the opposite: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8330751/

German stats back this up: "An internal study by the German federal law enforcement agency, leaked to a Zurich newspaper, revealed that asylum-seekers have committed some 7,000 sexual assaults (ranging from groping to gang-rape ) between 2015 and 2023. Although they make up only 2.5 per cent of the population, asylum-seekers made up 13.1 per cent of all sexual-assault suspects in 2021."

So what? The crossbow incident wasn’t the only incident where a white man committed murder either. Three women are murdered every week in this country by men who are usually white.

We've had bad government - I don't remember people marching in the streets demanding a referendum to leave the EU - as I remember it it was D Cameron trying to force his fellow Tories into line. So we get Brexit - disaster.
Then no one can move on and sort out exports etc T May, disaster so we end up with B Johnson - useless. Then Covid. Mistakes made there.
And before that we bailed out the banks using tax payers money (which lead to years of austerity) and before that the Labour gov decided we should have free movement of eastern european people into the UK. The initial cause of anti immigration feeling.

Plus I live in Scotland and scars from the referendum are still there.
Then 14 years of hopeless SNP Gov ending in corruption - dam it I'm going on the streets too. ( not really )

Nope, another response quoting me and completely shifting what we’re talking about

Give it mire than a month sick of folks ignorant saying more of the same. Labour hasn't had a chance to do anything. Funny how those poor like me I live in the north to. Never think it's those at the top with the money neo liberalism capitalism labour will be better but they need a chance. Farage is pushing this he lost if you didn't want labour should have boted something else but you didn't. Also to the lady moaning about pension there are rich pensioners that don't need fuel allowance if onnpension credit they get it meanwhile we are in debt. These lot many are football hooligans and no excuses to blame immigrants on the issues. Tet right wing press have labelled anyone that believe we should tax the rich as scum yet that would help the country tax the corporations better but no people lazily blame migrants

YANBU OP. It's like the private school parents on VAT here. You start to feel like you hear little else. You've been heard loud and clear. We might disagree though.

These are not the group connected to building a successful country. Enough. Ignore them and if they become violent, lock them up. Let us get on with rebuilding our economy, infrastructure and other major things.

But we are at the mercy of social media - EVERYONE including MPs and the BBC pander to Twitter etc and as long as that happens we aren't able to put it behind us, be sensible.

Have you noticed the riots?

According to a lot on MN, there is only 1 type of immigrant. The type that is a highly qualified consultant brain surgeon.

The type that stand about the streets (in my area anyway) trying to sell weed & intimidating teen girls & women doesn’t exist.

Don't need to think about it for long. Custody and prison sentences would be the normal route for street violence, I believe?

I'm no expert on police job descriptions, but I believe "not wanting the risk" wouldn't abjure them from responsibility for policing it.

As for reality being difficult to deal with: yes, I'm finding it very difficult to deal with the fact that certain elements of society are wittering on about "British values" while acting like feral hounds. Happy now?

That just leaves us with the incitement to violence. Personally I'd be delighted if people who incite violence were made personally liable for the consequences. What about you?

We’re not in Sweden or Germany though?

Sorry, those stats were for child sex offences, taken from a report by Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse. www.csacentre.org.uk

UK government stats for all sex offenders by race are below. Again, the vast majority are white offenders.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a820725e5274a2e87dc0c4f/number-convicted-sexual-offenders-by-ethnicity-tables.xlsx

When i saw that boat, I wondered how desperate as a mother you would need to be to put your tiny child into a rubber dinghy to float across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world? That the alternative is worse?...

So that's one way to stop the boats - allow people to start a uk asylum claim from the camp in France. Then they don't need to get on the boat and risk their 2 year olds life.

I genuinely don't understand what you're getting at here. Are you saying that refugees aren't safe in France? I live in France and it's at least as safe as the UK. If you've made it to France, then there is absolutely no need to risk your own or your child's life in a dinghy on the English channel.

It's not less racist because you say unicorns and horses, you know.

When i saw that boat, I wondered how desperate as a mother you would need to be to put your tiny child into a rubber dinghy to float across one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world? That the alternative is worse?...

I bet a high percentage of those women have been exhaustedly dragged through Europe to our dangerous channel, by a man. A woman in danger would’ve probably stopped at the first safe border. It’ll be men making them make the journey.

If we keep facing this each summer I’d suggest policy instead.

I can't find the post of the person who was thinking of cancelling a London visit.. so posting on a few threads. Please don't ! Just been out and about in London and delighted to report that a good and normal mix of people of every colour are put about going about their day. First of the nazi riots is due to start around 3.30pm so let's see. A proud and hopeful Londoner but I've got three young adults I've asked to stay in tonight xx