Page 13 | To think the anti-immigrations have BEEN "heard"?

dropoutin · 2024-08-07T00:40:37+00:00

I posted something like this on one of the riot threads but it ws locked soon after. Is anyone else getting really bored of people justifying racism, terror, violence and destruction by insisting how important it is that those who imagine asylum seekers are responsible for the country's problem are "heard". Little reminder: It's exactly that particular obsession that led to the Brexit referendum in 2016, and the most radical - and destructive - political change of recent times. There were several years in which the country barely discussed anything else. Farage and Johnson got to tell you in great detail how the reason you're poor is because of the black family down the road. And you got the choice of believing them, or not. You even got to make Johnson PM so he could "get Brexit done" and "level up" your community. You've been taken for a ride. Asylum seekers rriving irregularly (via small boats etc) make up less than 5% of total immigration, which is coming down after peaking in 2022 (partly due to the Ukraine war, and other factors). Neither Tories nor Labour are going to radically reduce immigration because anyone having to ACTUALLY run the country can see that doing so will exacerbate the demographic time-bomb, reduce economic activity and decimate the NHS. You're poor because of 14 years of Conservative economic policy, not because of anyone's skin colour or passport. Meanwhile: How many of us get to have a national referendum tailored around our favourite policy hobbyhorse? When is my referendum on industrial relations? On housing and land ownership? On the House of Lords? When do I get to be "heard"? Being heard doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you, or that you get to go out and beat up brown people because things aren't working out the way you imagined they would. It's not that you haven't been heard. It's just that you were wrong.

JumpingAtShadows1 · 07/08/2024 10:50

CheerfulBunny · 07/08/2024 10:37

I have a theory that this brand of racism stems from insecurity. Insecurity of people who feel they don't fit into the world around them. People who perhaps have less money and poor employment opportunities along with older people who don't understand or like the way the world is now. People who feel out of place in their surroundings. As lots of posters on this thread have pointed out, people who feel aggrieved kick downwards at those below them, as has been seen repeating over and over in history. As @marmaladeandpeanutbutter points out rightly, this is being utilised by evil leaders to further their own progression and agendas.
We're constantly told that we're hard up and there isn't enough for everyone. This just reinforces the sense of festering resentment.

I agree with some of what you say here. A lot of people really do seem to feel they do not fit in to the world around them - almost unwelcome in it. And im talking about peaceful people not rioters

'We're constantly told that we're hard up and there isn't enough for everyone.'' - The way this is phrased almost makes it seem like this is some kind of pie in the sky idea. There really is not enough for everyone - its economics 101. The pie is only so big

KeepYaHeadUp · 07/08/2024 10:51

Thepartnersdesk · 07/08/2024 10:31

Just out of interest @dropoutin, do you have a hotel housing 250 plus single men in your community?

I absolutely don't agree this is the right way to go about it but in places like Tamworth people did complain but basically tough.

The loss of a large hotel means less visitors, less money in the local economy, less trade for the businesses that relied on this, local restaurants closing etc in addition to the costs of housing them.

I can glibly say they've been heard because it doesn't really affect me but I do have to question how I'd feel living next door to it.

On the other hand I think the people doing this are mostly just there for a fight but just dismissing it all as far right is a mistake and in part what is fuelling this.

Oh, please. These people do not give a fuck about tourism or the local economy. Those who do, and have genuine concerns are not out smashing stuff up.

JumpingAtShadows1 · 07/08/2024 10:52

Daltonbear1 · 07/08/2024 10:49

And yet schools have places available in London there is a low birth rate now. Infrastructure not being put in place by the conservatives hasn't helped japan have a problem as thwy haven't taken immigrants and countries that do have better economies aka growth .

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Of course birth rate is low. Who the heck would bring baby unicorns and horses in to this fiasco

KeepYaHeadUp · 07/08/2024 10:53

CheerfulBunny · 07/08/2024 10:37

I have a theory that this brand of racism stems from insecurity. Insecurity of people who feel they don't fit into the world around them. People who perhaps have less money and poor employment opportunities along with older people who don't understand or like the way the world is now. People who feel out of place in their surroundings. As lots of posters on this thread have pointed out, people who feel aggrieved kick downwards at those below them, as has been seen repeating over and over in history. As @marmaladeandpeanutbutter points out rightly, this is being utilised by evil leaders to further their own progression and agendas.
We're constantly told that we're hard up and there isn't enough for everyone. This just reinforces the sense of festering resentment.

And the lack of investment in education and outcome of white, working class males. Lack of confidence, identity, goals, critical thinking.

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/08/2024 10:53

Scarletrunner · Today 06:37
then, no, no right thinking democratic country will do what you want.
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Well, many countries are democratically voting in very right wing leaders who might just not be as right thinking as you expect.

This isn’t one of them.

If these fuckwits are so unhappy, they’re free to move to one of the countries you mention. Oh, hang on, Brexit. Which most of them no doubt supported. I repeat, fuckwits.

CosmicDaisyChain · 07/08/2024 10:54

Scandiviews1 · 07/08/2024 09:35

I don't think we are that bad! Not as bad as some countries. I haven't heard of gays being thrown off a roof.

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No, they just get stabbed by asylum seekers.

https://news.sky.com/story/reading-terror-attack-time-has-stood-still-since-stabbing-family-of-man-killed-tell-inquest-13049003#:~:text=Khairi%20Saadallah%20was%20sentenced%20to,%2C%20Reading%2C%20in%20June%202020.&text=The%20family%20of%20a%20man,stood%20still%22%20since%20the%20attacks.

JumpingAtShadows1 · 07/08/2024 10:54

I wonder how the tourism at weymouth has been

Daltonbear1 · 07/08/2024 10:54

JumpingAtShadows1 · 07/08/2024 10:52

Of course birth rate is low. Who the heck would bring baby unicorns and horses in to this fiasco

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Bet you vote tory or reform. Funny thing is above you said not enough money you guys don't like taxing the rich people like elon musk who could pay more to help more funny how it's always targeted at poor or minorities like immigrants that's like what Hitler did about Jews .

Shakeoffyourchains · 07/08/2024 10:57

Gogogo12345 · 07/08/2024 10:24

Clacton is full of people who have usually been some of the poorest in East London. I know Newham council ship quite a few there. And yes more likely to be Reform voters as they were very much in the white minority back in London and went to Clacton to escape that

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So you're saying that a chunk of people living in Clacton either:

● moved there against their will due to being poor, in which case their issue should be with the government shitting on poor people and not immigrants.

● chose to leave their original homes because they didn't like being around people of different races (sounds like a failure to integrate with their community to me), in which case now they're in white majority Clacton they should be happy.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 07/08/2024 10:57

Also, look at the bank balances of some of the relatively junior organisers here, such as Robison and Farage. They are all coining it, as are the conspiracy theorists in the US, which is a linked movement.

Forestgreen19 · 07/08/2024 10:58

WeWillGetThereInTheEnd · 07/08/2024 10:31

Forget about granting visas for low-paid care workers from the Philippines. Immigration is too high, so we need a different solution. Which is?

@Forestgreen19 - sort out the care system, by making it the National Care System, pay care workers properly and create career progression for them, so they earn more for further qualifications and experience. Exploitation of poor people from overseas should not be the answer.

How much has H2S cost so far and what is the projected total cost? Whatever the projected cost is, it will turn out to be a massive underestimate? I am sure that money would have gone a long way in improving the care system, with knock on savings in the NHS and maybe enough left over to increase the funding for GPs too?

I agree with you 100%.

My point is the rioters and anti-immigration folk are focusing on the wrong thing.

Vast majority of immigrants have jobs, whether high-skilled (doctor) or low skilled (carer, labourer, fruit picker etc).

There will be a small % in any group who just want to live off benefits. The number of immigrants who fit this category is so small, that removing these people won’t make much difference to overall numbers.

If you actually want to reduce numbers of immigrants, then British people need to fill these job roles instead. For years, government/NHS has been encouraging migrant workers in to prevent certain sectors from total collapse. This dates back to Windrush.

In 2022, the employment rate of working-age migrant men (82%) was higher than that of the UK-born (78%). Maybe rioters and those people on this thread worried about “British culture” should worry about that instead.

EasternStandard · 07/08/2024 11:00

MrsSkylerWhite · 07/08/2024 10:53

Scarletrunner · Today 06:37
then, no, no right thinking democratic country will do what you want.
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Well, many countries are democratically voting in very right wing leaders who might just not be as right thinking as you expect.

This isn’t one of them.

If these fuckwits are so unhappy, they’re free to move to one of the countries you mention. Oh, hang on, Brexit. Which most of them no doubt supported. I repeat, fuckwits.

What’s so great about what we’re voting in?

Riots and instability, how bad will it have to get before people think hang on maybe a happy calm country like Aus is better?

Zet1 · 07/08/2024 11:01

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 07/08/2024 10:57

Also, look at the bank balances of some of the relatively junior organisers here, such as Robison and Farage. They are all coining it, as are the conspiracy theorists in the US, which is a linked movement.

Yes they are!

Midnightalready · 07/08/2024 11:06

HermioneWeasley · 07/08/2024 06:20

I am an immigrant. My parents came here from the Middle East when I was a child. We are all fully integrated. I have concerns about current immigration and behaviour of immigrant communities. I see radical Islam, the same poison my family came here to escape, becoming more and more powerful across Europe. I see people chanting “from the river to the sea” on the streets of our cities every week. I see blasphemy laws being introduced by stealth as that poor teacher from Batley is still in hiding in fear for his life.

I am not out rioting. I am lucky that I am pale skinned enough that I don’t get abuse on the streets and I am not a hijabi so don’t stand out in that way. I am worried sick for my many obviously foreign friends and their families.

But I don’t feel my concerns about immigration and integration have been heard, no.

Well done for speaking up. The vast majority of people opposing mass migration are not doing so on the basis of skin colour, they're concerned about the impact of bringing in lots of people from cultures with values diametrically opposed to our own. Anyone asserting that their concerns are invalid should read up on what has happened in Sweden since 2015. And not just Sweden - many countries across Europe, Germany in particular, are struggling to assimilate a wave of people from countries that essentially despise the West, with a resulting impact on crime and welfare support systems.

EasternStandard · 07/08/2024 11:08

We’re pretty much a cautionary tale for voting at this point. Who wants this?

On foreign travel advice liste

ALittleAlarmed · 07/08/2024 11:13

Farage, z list celeb supporters such as Holly Valance, and co need to crawl out of their cowardly far right looney pit, and speak on this senseless violence! Where are they now?!!

YogaForDummies · 07/08/2024 11:14

Zet1 · 07/08/2024 08:56

What culture is being destroyed?😂

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All you do on any thread is post short, worthless childish replies. If you don't want to have a proper discussion, go to Chester Zoo and climb into to oragnutan enclosure.

hairbearbunches · 07/08/2024 11:16

Izzymoon · 07/08/2024 07:47

@ruby1957 The country is falling apart because too many people here are not doing their 'bit' and too many unskilled and unwanted immigrants have arrived and labour is no better at doing something about it even if they say they are going to.

This is the exact kind of ignorant nonsense that fuels these things.
The country is falling apart because too many people aren’t doing their bit?
Well given the unemployment in British born people is 26% compared to 20% non EU migrants and 15% EU migrants I’m not sure how your tying “not doing their bit” to immigration.

Can you not see the massive flaw in your numbers there? If 20% of non EU migrants and 15% of EU migrants are economically inactive and reliant on benefits, you should be asking what they are doing in the country at all, not telling us that the British are worse. Why should the British taxpayer be supporting people from elsewhere who aren't contributing?

BunsForTea · 07/08/2024 11:16

Thepartnersdesk · 07/08/2024 10:31

Just out of interest @dropoutin, do you have a hotel housing 250 plus single men in your community?

I absolutely don't agree this is the right way to go about it but in places like Tamworth people did complain but basically tough.

The loss of a large hotel means less visitors, less money in the local economy, less trade for the businesses that relied on this, local restaurants closing etc in addition to the costs of housing them.

I can glibly say they've been heard because it doesn't really affect me but I do have to question how I'd feel living next door to it.

On the other hand I think the people doing this are mostly just there for a fight but just dismissing it all as far right is a mistake and in part what is fuelling this.

Oh yes, because nothing draws in the tourists and investors like a good riot🙄

Shakeoffyourchains · 07/08/2024 11:17

JumpingAtShadows1 · 07/08/2024 10:46

Once upon a time, there was a country of horses. There was a war in neighhhhhbouring Unicorn island and the horses shouted 'Hay! - come over here, we can help'

The horses gave the Unicorns stables and hay.

The horses slowly noticed their own opportunities being severely depleted - Baby horses cannot get a school place nor afford to fly the stable and have to live at home until they are 40 years old. There are not enough stables to go round

The paddocks the horses grew up in, they begun to be made to feel uncomfortable and unsafe by the Unicorns and the Horses begun to move away from the cities in droves - many forced to gallop out by intimidation and crime.

The unicorns have very different outlook on how horses live, from work / sleep / even rubbish disposal - everything is different and the Unicorn is not interested in the Horse way of life and these constant differences, cause tension

One horse on his way home from work one night, was attacked by Unicorns and had his skull broken by Unicorn hooves

Horses who still live in some areas, are scared to step outside of their doors at night -as there are huge droves of Unicorns galloping round the area armed with knives, bats and even petrol bombs.

The police just run away and do not get involved

The horses expressed concern about all this but were attacked by all the other horses

This is what is happening

You missed the bit where the horses elect a bunch of hyenas to rule over them and then, after they realise the hyenas have been busy building hyena dens and horse meat farms instead of stables and fields, blame the unicorns for everything.

EasternStandard · 07/08/2024 11:18

BunsForTea · 07/08/2024 11:16

Oh yes, because nothing draws in the tourists and investors like a good riot🙄

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Best to think about how to be more like a country that doesn’t have this then

Zet1 · 07/08/2024 11:19

YogaForDummies · 07/08/2024 11:14

All you do on any thread is post short, worthless childish replies. If you don't want to have a proper discussion, go to Chester Zoo and climb into to oragnutan enclosure.

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Now, why would I go to an "orangutan enclosure."

Do you mean I have a different opinion from yours? So, instead of moving on, you start being offensive. Thank you for finally dropping the pretence

EasternStandard · 07/08/2024 11:27

Just reading on another thread some police saying no to being at such risk

I really think pp are head in the sand over all this

Anonym00se · 07/08/2024 11:34

Gogogo12345 · 07/08/2024 10:13

And it also pays for people who come illegally which other countries dont

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Which countries don’t? This false narrative that ALL asylum seekers come to the UK and we are the only country that will support them during the asylum process is ridiculous. They receive pretty much similar support across Europe. Better, in many cases, which is probably a factor in why the vast majority stay there.

Gogogo12345 · 07/08/2024 11:34

Anonym00se · 07/08/2024 11:34

Which countries don’t? This false narrative that ALL asylum seekers come to the UK and we are the only country that will support them during the asylum process is ridiculous. They receive pretty much similar support across Europe. Better, in many cases, which is probably a factor in why the vast majority stay there.

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Thailand for one that I know. There is s more to the world than Europe u know

And why are people living in forest near Calais if France provide hotels and money then?