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Wondering how we can all stand behind & support minorities in this climate.

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Agn · 06/08/2024 06:12

It is horrendous that there is a climate of fear and that all this far right terrorism is taking place.

are there ways for the general public to give support to minorities who are being targetted?

OP posts:
Spacecrispsnack · 06/08/2024 12:42

Everyone who wants to do good anti racism work would do well to read Nova Reid’s book called The Good Ally.

Marseillaise · 06/08/2024 12:44

MoosesOnGooses · 06/08/2024 08:16

Oh what a load of virtue signalling.

We should treat everyone, minority or majority, with respect and kindness.

Certainly. But what help will that be to people whose hostel is being deliberately attacked by arsonists? Or whose windows are having bricks thrown at them? Or indeed the police, firefighters and paramedics who are also the target of bricks and other weapons?

FrothyCothy · 06/08/2024 12:45

But it’s not affecting just “illegal immigrants” (as if that would be justified). Three of my team, black and Asian British born, have expressed their fears about using public transport this week, or to travel long distances to work through cities and towns where there has been disorder. It makes me feel sick thinking about how they must be feeling. We’re lucky enough to be able to be flexible to accommodate their fears and to offer wellbeing support but for those who still have to go out and head into work in places where there are protests, I can’t imagine how they must feel.

LoveLifeBeHappy · 06/08/2024 12:54

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 07:34

But they are not ALL thugs!
Did you not see footage of the 73 year old who was arrested for just being present at a protest?

The rioters are a group of down-and-outs who don't want anyone of colour in their country. Driven by racism and ignorance, they seized on the tragic death of innocent children as an excuse to further their hateful narrative.

I hope you watched the video of them stopping cars and checking if the drivers were white. If they weren't, they were severely beaten.

Don't worry. Once football season starts in a week or so, they'll all be back home or at Wetherspoons.

Lammveg · 06/08/2024 12:56

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 08:41

How dare you make such disgusting stupid comments like you have.
I'm NOT at all racist, and it's vile of you to claim I am.

Just because I don't agree with illegal immigrants coming into the Country, this doesn't make me racist. I disagree with ILLEGAL immigrants because we don't know who they are and their history. Where are all the women and children? Why is it just young men mainly coming in?
And also, how many times have I written that I do NOT agree with violence?

Yet you completely disregard what I've written, just like some other ignorant posters. Go away!

Have you thought about why it's young men? Do you think they want to come here to work to support thier family?

Do you think husbands want to risk thier wives and children travelling to this country?

Mickeymouseisinnocent · 06/08/2024 13:02

Polarnight · 06/08/2024 09:18

I was quite frightened of the pro Palestine demos. Still am.

Calling for intifada, and all sorts of other disgraceful calls for violence.

Support for those pro Hamas demos though.

Nobody stood in solidarity with Jews who might feel intimidated by this in their own home city. In fact there is support for it

Months ago when someone posted about these I said how I got caught up at Euston (I was travelling to Manchester for work one Saturday) wearing a star of David and got abuse. How I had to go past a security guard to go to the kosher butcher after a local kosher grocery store was attacked by a man with a machete (there's a video and it's terrifying) and was told I was paranoid and imaginging it. Anti-semitism doesn't exist. Or is minor...or is unimportant apparently.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/08/2024 13:03

Help with clean up operations.
There are Go Fund Me type things to help people rebuild.
Confront racist fuckwittery spouted by racists. Do not hold back with your disgust.
Keep an eye on your local media.
Be a wee bit friendlier to those groups effected.
Take a zero tolerance approach to racism.

Marseillaise · 06/08/2024 13:04

VividQuoter · 06/08/2024 09:52

we personally don't have to do anything. We are not doing anything wrong to anyone, we are at home, sitting on bums onto sofas. The organisations who work with terrorists have to up their game , the government local authorities who work with Muslims have to up their game, the border control has to up their game, Rwanda has to give us back our money so we fund properly the extradition of all these men. THAT IS MY PENNY

Are you going to put any actual pennies into this? Because none of that will actually stop a racist mob going out tonight to terrorise people from ethnic minorities.

toastcrusts · 06/08/2024 14:54

Tbh there are antisemitic terrorist-supporting marches weekly where I live and no one has offered any support to the Jewish community who are making sure to be out of the centre of town every Saturday since October. If you want to support minorities, support all minorities being discriminated against. (Obv the far right rallies are also antisemitic but that is not the core focus.)

Xenia · 06/08/2024 14:59

Actually I am a minority where I live in London but these are always complicated issues.. most people in the UK do not support the violence and more people than not want illegal and lawful immigration tackled as indeed does the Labour and Tory parties- i t was centre stage for all parties at the last election.

ATenShun · 06/08/2024 15:03

toastcrusts · 06/08/2024 14:54

Tbh there are antisemitic terrorist-supporting marches weekly where I live and no one has offered any support to the Jewish community who are making sure to be out of the centre of town every Saturday since October. If you want to support minorities, support all minorities being discriminated against. (Obv the far right rallies are also antisemitic but that is not the core focus.)

This is my biggest bugbear about media coverage of a lot of these demonstrations. It will show the hard line aggressive demonstrator/thugs. But not the regular people also there only asking for voices to be heard. I am pro Palestine not because I hate Jews. But because Israels military treatment of innocent men, women and children is abhorent.

ATenShun · 06/08/2024 15:06

LoveLifeBeHappy · 06/08/2024 12:54

The rioters are a group of down-and-outs who don't want anyone of colour in their country. Driven by racism and ignorance, they seized on the tragic death of innocent children as an excuse to further their hateful narrative.

I hope you watched the video of them stopping cars and checking if the drivers were white. If they weren't, they were severely beaten.

Don't worry. Once football season starts in a week or so, they'll all be back home or at Wetherspoons.

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I hope you watched the video of them stopping cars and checking if the drivers were white. If they weren't, they were severely beaten.

Could you post a link to that video please.

Begsthequestion · 06/08/2024 15:07

Is anyone able to address the question at hand or are you just going to talk about yourselves?

meimei80 · 06/08/2024 15:10

midgetastic · 06/08/2024 07:43

The real concern of illegal immagration is a myth though

Levels of illegal immagration are small. Something like 70% of people entering the uk through illegal routes are actual deemed legally entitled to stay.

The majority of immigrants enter legally through approved routes

The vast majority of people of colour are not even immigrants but were born here

Yes we have more people from further afield now than we used to - as legal immigrants - a direct and predicted impact of Brexit ( which sone people voted for on the basis of immigration - the irony ) (and yes there can be culture problems that result - especially in a hostile rather than a welcoming climate - ah the irony again

Yes illegal immigration is bad - but more because of the high number of people dying en route to, the way it feeds criminals , and the very fact that people go to such lengths suggests their lives are much worse than those of the uk

It's not having a huge impact on your life

This.

meimei80 · 06/08/2024 15:19

itsgettingweird · 06/08/2024 09:51

I think we start by ensuring the language used is correct.

The previous government used the term "illegal migrants" for anyone entering the UK via a boat claiming asylum. They are asylum seekers. They remain so until their claim is processed and either they are given asylum or not.

If they aren't they are returned.

They only become an illegal Immigrant if they are refused stay and avoid return. Or someone outstays their visa.

They are housed in hotels in large numbers because the government decided to stop processing claims and do that. They decided to hold on to all the asylum seekers whilst fighting to send 200 to Rwanda in return for 200 Rwandans. It was always a reciprocal deal.

And under that deal we would have had more British children born to Rwandan parents in the UK as was the Southport stabber.

There is large immigration done via routes such as homes for Ukraine and from Hong Kong. The government allows these people to come and some do have questions over the numbers. But these are far higher by 100's of thousands than those crossing in boats to claim asylum.

You then have the likes of Braverman who use language such as "invasion". She's gone quiet. Is it because she realises the hate she's stoked means that the other day she would have been stopped in her car and deemed not British enough to avoid a beating? Purely because these thugs would have looked at her, deemed her non British (she is) and felt she wasn't to be here. Assumed she was "an illegal". Her parents were immigrants.

It's fucking ridiculous. We know successive governments have tried (and admittedly failed) to stop people feeling they are safer risking their lives crossing the channel than staying in their homes.

But we also leave them no choice. We have NO safe route for these people.

This isn't about keeping our children safe. This isn't about immigration and people's concerns over it.

This is solely and purely about violent thugs deciding anyone who doesn't look British enough to them not being welcome.

And sadly I have NO idea how to stop people fearing that. Because the truth is many British people don't look British (in the eyes of the rioting thugs).

But I'm fucking embarrassed to be British right now - that much I do know.

And this.

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 16:37

Dweetfidilove · 06/08/2024 12:04

@Milkyway1213 what I find absolutely disgusting is that because of your 'protests', we are not talking about the beautiful children murdered last week. They are almost forgotten while all focus is on your spectacle and that is what is disgusting, especially so soon after the police had seemingly woken up to the fact of VAWG.

I had intended to not come back to this thread, but your nasty comments made me want to respond. You are completely out of order implying that I don't care about the little children who were killed. Of course I care, it has really upset me, as it has all of the population no doubt.
I'm also as disgusted as anyone that people have resorted to violence since then, you might want to actually read my posts properly instead of resorting to posting such disgraceful words.

SallyWD · 06/08/2024 16:40

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/08/2024 11:19

Could be all manner of reasons...fear? Disability? Lack of childcare?

I would encourage people to join the peaceful counter protests if they are able. I found it immensely reassuring to see that the antiracists far outnumbered the racists in my community.

Yes that's exactly my point.its by confronting the racists that we let them know they're not tolerated and it shows people from minorities that they're not alone.
If my ethnic group was being targeted I'd want people of all colours to stand up for me.
I understand that not everyone can protest though.

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 16:47

Marseillaise · 06/08/2024 12:36

Why do you feel you are being given this label? The OP specifically referred to far right terrorism. Have you been out throwing stones at police and trying to set fire to buildings with people in them? If not, you haven't been labelled by her.

How do you know that your views represent those of "the people"? Do you actually object to, for instance, legal immigrants following their own religion and having places of worship to do so? Why?

You're another poster who appears to twist things, where did I say the OP has labelled me?
I didn't. I said Kier Starmer has, and no I don't object to legal immigrants, I never implied that I did, so there's no need for all the questions, I've no need to explain myself to you.

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 16:51

Marseillaise · 06/08/2024 12:38

Why won't the Government address the real concerns of the people? Why are certain groups allowed to wield knives and machetes in public without intervention by the Police?

Which groups, and when, @Milkyway1213? You do know the person accused of the Southport knife attack is not an immigrant, don't you?

Yes I do know he's not an immigrant, I've already mentioned that.
Which groups? When? Last night in Birmingham, have you not seen the footage?
Google it. Although, you probably have I guess, but just won't come back on here to say so.

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 16:54

Marseillaise · 06/08/2024 12:39

Yes, and? That is ONE person, not a vast majority of people at the protest, and it's a virtual certainty that they won't be charged.

The 'vast majority' of people at the protest were NOT causing any trouble at all. Stop taking things out of context.

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 16:58

Marseillaise · 06/08/2024 12:41

When has this happened? Were the police called?

I've said previously, in Birmingham. Are you being deliberately goady? In fact, don't bother with your know it all response, I won't be engaging with you again, it's a waste of my time.

Dweetfidilove · 06/08/2024 17:18

Milkyway1213 · 06/08/2024 16:37

I had intended to not come back to this thread, but your nasty comments made me want to respond. You are completely out of order implying that I don't care about the little children who were killed. Of course I care, it has really upset me, as it has all of the population no doubt.
I'm also as disgusted as anyone that people have resorted to violence since then, you might want to actually read my posts properly instead of resorting to posting such disgraceful words.

I implied nothing.

I made no comment as to whether you care or not, so be as disgusted as you like.

I stated- your 'protests', the very ones you are supporting, have drowned out reporting on the murders - FACT.

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I've reported your post, what is it you don't get? I shall spell it out for you, a TINY minority of people are the troublemakers, most people have tried to protest peacefully.
I have also said many a time that the troublemakers should be locked up and that I don't condone violence.