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To say the Olympics hates women

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ArabellaScott · 03/08/2024 10:30

A child rapist performing for the Netherlands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13674293/Convicted-child-rapist-Steven-van-Velde-Netherlands-booed-volleyball-olympics.html

Males punching women in the face as sport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnd0drjr4jdo

Offensive caricatures of women everywhere.

https://glaad.org/french-drag-artists-made-history-as-first-in-drag-to-carry-the-olympic-torch/

Convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde reaches volleyball last-16

Convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde received a hostile reception again as he was loudly booed by the crowd during the Netherlands' volleyball defeat against Norway on Friday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13674293/Convicted-child-rapist-Steven-van-Velde-Netherlands-booed-volleyball-olympics.html

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wombat15 · 03/08/2024 12:31

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2024 11:41

The IBA did sex verification tests that they say revealed XY chromosomes.

The iba haven't said exactly what ths tests were or the results.

Luxell934 · 03/08/2024 12:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2024 12:28

She’s not a man. She was assigned female at birth. Are women with PCOS men because of their testosterone levels?

It's not about "testosterone levels" RTFT.

What is it about then? Because no one has any proof of her chromosomes.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 03/08/2024 12:37

Cookiecoop · 03/08/2024 12:16

She’s not a man. She was assigned female at birth. Are women with PCOS men because of their testosterone levels?

He. Is. A. Man.

Nobody is assigned anything at birth. Sex is observed and recorded. It may have been recorded incorrectly but it would have become clear pretty quickly that this person is male.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2024 12:38

The IBA has categorically stated that it is not based on testosterone levels. Please give details of other "gender tests" which are done which aren't about chromosomes. The IBA rules state they base it on XY/XX.

sanluca · 03/08/2024 12:38

Ladyzfactor · 03/08/2024 11:10

The boxer that everyone is upset about isn't a man. They are intersex. Completely different. They are not, and have never been trans, or male. They were born biologically with female genitalia. They do tend to have more testosterone., but not much else different. But mumsnet loves to get upset over trans issues so I'm not surprised about the misinformation.

People with DSD are still either male or female. Most people with DSD go through natural puberty, like Castor Semanya, who is male with male levels of testosterone. Not female with high testosterone, high being nowhere near the level of male people.

This boxer seems to be xy with male puberty. What I find infuriating is that no one seems to confirm one way or the other, the IOC just says F in the passport is good enough to qualify and women are left feeling gaslighted and not taken seriously. So for that, even if this person turns out to be xx, which I seriously doubt, the IOC should be ashamed of themselves

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2024 12:39

The Vice President of the World Boxing Organisation has also stated that Khelif is male, and said there are known to be other male boxers.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2024 12:40

The IOC has basically admitted that it's a case of DSD, btw. Keep up.

protectourchildren · 03/08/2024 12:53

Hilarious when the IOC get their own gaslighting statements wrong and have to row it back!

The cognitive dissonance must be huge. Not surprising they get confused...

TheKeatingFive · 03/08/2024 12:56

Look if people want to pick holes in the IBA ruling, there is a very simple answer.

The IOC commission an independent test and that will put the whole thing to bed.

So why won't they just do that?

CatMadam · 03/08/2024 13:07

I think it’s really odd that so many ‘radical feminists’ immediately started calling a woman a man because she was so good at her sport. I hope Imane sues jk Rowling and all the other hateful idiots who slandered and misgendered her.

TheKeatingFive · 03/08/2024 13:09

CatMadam · 03/08/2024 13:07

I think it’s really odd that so many ‘radical feminists’ immediately started calling a woman a man because she was so good at her sport. I hope Imane sues jk Rowling and all the other hateful idiots who slandered and misgendered her.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Khelif has been previously banned from female competition for failing gender testing

protectourchildren · 03/08/2024 13:10

TheKeatingFive · 03/08/2024 13:09

You seem to be ignoring the fact that Khelif has been previously banned from female competition for failing gender testing

And didn't challenge it when given the opportunity to do so.

Also battered Carini on live tv.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 03/08/2024 13:11

CatMadam · 03/08/2024 13:07

I think it’s really odd that so many ‘radical feminists’ immediately started calling a woman a man because she was so good at her sport. I hope Imane sues jk Rowling and all the other hateful idiots who slandered and misgendered her.

Ah yes, every single gold medal winning female must be male cause women are no good at sport - I frequently see radical feminists using exactly this argument! 🙄 /s

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 03/08/2024 13:13

PS - I encourage and look forward to the court cases re libel, in which calling someone with XY chromosomes male is proven to be a lie 🤔

TheKeatingFive · 03/08/2024 13:13

And didn't challenge it when given the opportunity to do so.

Exactly

Or offer to have independent tests done now

Hateam · 03/08/2024 13:14

This is from your own link on skimpy kit:

Nike-sponsored pole vaulter Katie Moon, in a post on X, said the kit shown on the mannequin was "concerning", but added that women athletes are given many options on what to wear, and that she prefers briefs to shorts.

If women choose to wear skimpy when they have options, then criterise them for making choices you don't approve of.

TinyKat · 03/08/2024 13:18

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2024 12:04

A 12 year old girl that he groomed online.

Absolutely vile and sick.
That poor child.

Naunet · 03/08/2024 13:22

EpicGem · 03/08/2024 11:52

The IBA could easily tell everyone what tests they did that the 2 boxers failed. They have consistently refused stating privacy concerns. These privacy concerns extend to the 2 boxers who haven't even been informed of the specifics of these "gender tests". So it's a bit difficult to appeal a ban when you don't even know exactly why you've been banned beyond a vague description.
Interestingly, their president isn't bound by such concerns, seemingly as he's free to tell all to Russian media outlets. Or just blatantly lie knowing he won't be contradicted. Depends on how cynical you are about a boxer who has been fine to compete for 6/7 years suddenly failing a "gender test" after beating the only Russian boxer in a competition run by a mostly Russian organisation and sponsored by a massive Russian company (Gazprom).
The IOC have testing rules which cover both chromosome and hormone levels. Khelif passed the IOC tests.
Oh, the IBA has also just given Carini a lump sum out of the kindness of their hearts because they felt sorry for her. Such lovely people.
And all this information can be found fairly easily online.

So why aren’t you applying the same standards to the IOC who also haven’t revealed their testing methods?

Theyre also not the only Russian boxer, Russian boxers have been beaten many, many times over the years, why would the Russians suddenly care so much about this single female boxer being beaten?

It’s amazing how selective the people defending the IOC can be.

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2024 13:37

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 03/08/2024 13:13

PS - I encourage and look forward to the court cases re libel, in which calling someone with XY chromosomes male is proven to be a lie 🤔

Me too. That would be really interesting. Bring it on.

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magicmole · 03/08/2024 13:38

Here's a link to a Janice Turner article in The Times about the Olympics being institutionally sexist. Unlike some of the woefully uninformed journalism we've seen this week she's been writing about fairness in women's sport for years.

https://archive.is/D7aNX

As well as the boxing issue she points out how women were banned from Olympic ski jumping until 2014 because of a pseudoscientific belief that emerged in the Victorian era that too much vigorous exercise might cause infertility in women.

If you think that this can't possibly be true, it's less than 20 years since the president of the International Ski Federation said that ski jumping is "like jumping down from, let's say, about two meters on the ground about a thousand times a year, which seems not to be appropriate for ladies from a medical point of view"
www.businessinsider.com/why-womens-ski-jumping-was-banned-2014-1

This history of the Olympics is littered with examples like that of women being treated as 'lesser' and having to fight the IOC. For example the men's marathon was first run in 1896. It took nearly 90 years for women to be allowed to run in a marathon event (the '84 Olympics in LA).

Janice also reminds us that all three medals in the women's 800m final in Rio were won by athletes with disorders of sexual development. Or intersex as some people still refer to them. They'd all been through an androgenized (male) puberty. Such athletes have physiological advantages that no 'XX' woman can gain without doping. It's bad enough that such athletes might take medals, qualifying places and sponsorship opportunities from women. But it's a whole different story when it comes to contact sports like boxing.

So YANBU OP.

TheEyesOfLucyJordon · 03/08/2024 13:53

CatMadam · 03/08/2024 13:07

I think it’s really odd that so many ‘radical feminists’ immediately started calling a woman a man because she was so good at her sport. I hope Imane sues jk Rowling and all the other hateful idiots who slandered and misgendered her.

Get a fucking grip. He's a man. I know it. You know it. He knows it. The IOC knows it.

He can sue me, should he so wish!

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protectourchildren · 03/08/2024 14:19

Getting rid of sex segregation in sport = getting rid of women in sport for all but a tiny number of sports.

So progressive

wadeinthewater · 03/08/2024 14:22

I find it very ironic that people on here are insisting she's a man when she (presumably) has a vulva.

protectourchildren · 03/08/2024 14:23

ArabellaScott · 03/08/2024 13:37

Me too. That would be really interesting. Bring it on.

Yes, bring it on. It's not libel if it's true. The IBC would not have released such a clearly worded statement if they weren't sure of the legal grounds.

Compare and contrast to the gaslighting doublespeak and banned terms from IOC. The banning of terms such as 'biologically male' suggests they have a lot to hide.