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To say the Olympics hates women

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ArabellaScott · 03/08/2024 10:30

A child rapist performing for the Netherlands.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13674293/Convicted-child-rapist-Steven-van-Velde-Netherlands-booed-volleyball-olympics.html

Males punching women in the face as sport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnd0drjr4jdo

Offensive caricatures of women everywhere.

https://glaad.org/french-drag-artists-made-history-as-first-in-drag-to-carry-the-olympic-torch/

Convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde reaches volleyball last-16

Convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde received a hostile reception again as he was loudly booed by the crowd during the Netherlands' volleyball defeat against Norway on Friday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-13674293/Convicted-child-rapist-Steven-van-Velde-Netherlands-booed-volleyball-olympics.html

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Helleofabore · 05/08/2024 18:53

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 05/08/2024 18:46

Yy!

I want something that explains it, no that's too complicated I don't understand, no that's too simplistic, it's a complicated issue that can't be summed up like that, no that's too long, I haven't got time to read that, I just want a summary from someone who understands, no not that person, I don't like them

That is what we have seen over this past week.

Followed by 'how dare you call them 'male', they are 'female'', how dare you use disgusting terms like 'male'.

Frankly, I am fucking over being censured by people who then confess that they don't really know much, but they certainly know that these male athletes are not male.... because the 'F' in the fucking passport.

midgetastic · 05/08/2024 18:53

I do feel very sorry for the athletes who probably never realised , they will have worked hard, worked towards thier dream and then to have your whole life turned on it's head- you are not who you thought you are

However just because I feel sorry for someone doesn't mean I should overlook the problem and pretend they are female

I would say that we need far stronger procedures much earlier to avoid the trauma at this last moment as that is cruel

Helleofabore · 05/08/2024 18:54

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2024 18:49

I'm not attacking or judging anyone for responding like that, tbh. The narrative that is being pushed by the IOC, the BBC, and much of the media is exactly that.

I just think it's worth questioning why we are supposed to feel sorry for Khelif, but not the women being put in danger.

And I would also say it's possible to see Khelif as having been manipulated or used by others to make money, so I do understand the impetus to feel compassion.

But why does nobody ever suggest we must/should feel compassion for the women?

No. But they don't have to come and attempt to shame others for discussing facts that they are not aware of.

Kucinghitam · 05/08/2024 18:56

But why does nobody ever suggest we must/should feel compassion for the women?

It always comes back to this: Many people, both men and women, believe that only male humans are the real proper actual full people deserving of consideration of their feelings and desires; the female of the species are lesser, partially-sentient service bipeds, existing only to support the real people, and who are only allowed enough sentience and emotion to permit hectoring/scolding/guilting/carrying of blame.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/08/2024 19:01

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2024 18:46

I am genuinely scared of trans people being attacked soon based off online misinformation spreading and I wouldn’t want any part in that".

Women are being beaten right now. On camera. Based on misinformation.

Quite. Why are people going along with females being punched by males in the name of inclusion? I genuinely don't get their thought process.

TheKeatingFive · 05/08/2024 19:11

Frankly, I am fucking over being censured by people who then confess that they don't really know much, but they certainly know that these male athletes are not male.... because the 'F' in the fucking passport.

I find the whole thing very odd and I struggle to understand why people feel so confident in their (very limited) understanding of the situation.

What it seems to come down to is a lack of interest in finding out the facts, relying on 'feelings' and what the 'right' kind of people tell them to think.

Look at all the touching faith on here that the IOC have some kind of stringent criteria that these boxers have fulfilled. Which, those of us who are actually paying attention, know to be no more than passports. 🫠

But I think many people can hardly believe that an organisation like the IOC has been so lax and dismissive about the safety of women. Perhaps they don't want to believe it either.

NamelessNancy · 05/08/2024 19:22

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/08/2024 19:01

Quite. Why are people going along with females being punched by males in the name of inclusion? I genuinely don't get their thought process.

Not even just going along with it. People are really invested in it, feel really strongly that XY should be in a ring with XX. I really can't understand it.

BeyondOlympicLevelProcrastinator · 05/08/2024 19:27

I don't think that it helped for some people that they got a chance to rehash #acab with Carini

Helleofabore · 05/08/2024 21:51

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2024 18:46

I am genuinely scared of trans people being attacked soon based off online misinformation spreading and I wouldn’t want any part in that".

Women are being beaten right now. On camera. Based on misinformation.

You know Arabella, this is so succinct and spot on.

The cognitive dissonance behind all these denials, pleas for kindness, disparagement for stating facts, must be clanging deafeningly.

ArabellaScott · 05/08/2024 22:21

The IBA have released some more details on their website.

The IOC have been lying blatantly, as shown by letters sent and responded to.

www.iba.sport/news/iba-clarifies-the-facts-the-letter-to-the-ioc-regarding-two-ineligible-boxers-was-sent-and-acknowledged/

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ArabellaScott · 05/08/2024 22:27

Helleofabore · 05/08/2024 21:51

You know Arabella, this is so succinct and spot on.

The cognitive dissonance behind all these denials, pleas for kindness, disparagement for stating facts, must be clanging deafeningly.

I think, because many of us have been there, experiencing that dissonance is jarring. Its very uncomfortable to think that media and illustrious international bodies have colluded to stage an event where males fight females.

It's preferable to think that it's all a mad conspiracy fuelled by Russian politics. That the boxers are women and deserve sympathy. That it's all too complicated and all us nasty terfs are just wrong.

Because the alternative? Means that the ones in power, the ones we trust, the ones we look up to, are unjust, and that is a very uneasy thing to feel.

To realise that a man has punched women full in the face, watched by the world, cheered on - that women have been endangered because of greed and male arrogance- its a horrible thing to think.

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LostFuse · 05/08/2024 22:52

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 04/08/2024 19:18

Factual screenshot from the TV.

Female fighters are required to wear groin protectors by the Association of Boxing Commissions.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/08/2024 23:04

@LostFuse stop with the gaslighting. He rearranged his junk live on tv.

x.com/clownworld_/status/1819362202127679740?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

LostFuse · 05/08/2024 23:08

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 05/08/2024 23:04

@LostFuse stop with the gaslighting. He rearranged his junk live on tv.

x.com/clownworld_/status/1819362202127679740?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

It can't be gaslighting when it's a simple fact.
Female fighters are required to wear groin protectors by the Association of Boxing Commissions.

Garlicfest · 05/08/2024 23:09

LostFuse · 05/08/2024 22:52

Female fighters are required to wear groin protectors by the Association of Boxing Commissions.

Unsurprisingly, women's groin guards don't have a protruding cup designed to protect the penis & testicles.

Front & side view, women's and men's.

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Garlicfest · 05/08/2024 23:14

I'll leave the shape recognition to you.

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Garlicfest · 05/08/2024 23:20

Some think this was fairly typical male dominant behaviour, too.

https://x.com/MattWallace888/status/1819170620955078827

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Garlicfest · 05/08/2024 23:37

Found that in context. 2:24. Having refused to shake Khelif's hand, Carini steps towards the ropes and K moves around the ref to get in front of her. K taps C on the breast.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/08/2024 00:59

It's preferable to think that it's all a mad conspiracy fuelled by Russian politics. That the boxers are women and deserve sympathy. That it's all too complicated and all us nasty terfs are just wrong.

Because the alternative? Means that the ones in power, the ones we trust, the ones we look up to, are unjust, and that is a very uneasy thing to feel.

YY

Helleofabore · 06/08/2024 07:35

There comes a time where this just seems like such gaslighting on a global scale.

When Semenya is headlined in articles saying ‘my testes don’t make me less of a woman’ and people support this in sport without question and demonise anyone who does, we know that something is very wrong.

I think a large part of it also comes from using the word ‘women’s’ to describe sports. Where I grew up we called them female events with age group. But it became more ‘women’s’. and then the males who described themselves as ‘women’ for whatever reason. Be it what they were socialised to be believe they were as a child due to a medical condition or because other reasons.

It all hinges on language used to try and encourage inclusion where a group of people insist full inclusion is the only option.

For full inclusion, read, giving male people equal rights to win at female sport.

Because inclusion also could mean ensure these male athletes are supported and welcomed into male competitions. A point that seems to be ignored. Instead, the use and insistance on the word ‘woman’ obscures this and forces it to become a ‘woman’s human rights issue for fairness and equal opportunity’. Not a female athlete’s right.

But yeah, these acts are not acts of misogyny right? The ‘hate’ is all those nasty mean women calling these athletes ‘male’, yeah?

FFS

WearyAuldWumman · 06/08/2024 11:06

LostFuse · 05/08/2024 22:52

Female fighters are required to wear groin protectors by the Association of Boxing Commissions.

The one for female fighters has a different shape - unless the one that we're seeing the Algerian boxer wearing has been photoshopped.

ETA Ah. This has already been addressed.

wadeinthewater · 09/08/2024 14:02

I don't know how to link but there's a really informative article about all this on the BBC website today by Sofia Bettiza. "What does science tell us about boxing's gender row." Lots of scientific information and explains why the situation is so complex.

Helleofabore · 09/08/2024 14:41

wadeinthewater · 09/08/2024 14:02

I don't know how to link but there's a really informative article about all this on the BBC website today by Sofia Bettiza. "What does science tell us about boxing's gender row." Lots of scientific information and explains why the situation is so complex.

I found that article started off very well and then brought in differences of sex development, by way of a person who found they had XY chromosomes at 33 years old, to confuse the issue. A person who has the phenotype of being a woman, is not a relevant difference of sex development to be mentioned when it has been judged by the IBA that these two boxers have male advantage over female athletes.

For them to have that advantage, they will have gone through a virilised puberty.

Therefore it is irrelevant to bring in a case with a DSD that has not gone through a virilised puberty.

This is not a balanced article. This is an article that perpetuates the utilisation of a very rare group of medical conditions to leverage the established science of sex categorisation for sports.

It is not complex when you can easily do an initial screen using a cheek swab. And then if that shows XY chromosomes, start to do some further testing to check if the body has testes (if no, they are included in the female category), and if the body has any sensitivity to testosterone produced if testes are found (if no, they are also included in the female category).

It is simple. All male people who have any degree of male pubertal advantage should be excluded from the protected category of female sport. Regardless of their history, regardless of their identity.

Testing is available and should be done. The OIC will not because they prioritise inclusion of any male who believes they are a woman to compete as a woman (some need certain conditions to be met such as suppressed testosterone for some events). It is only because of certain new restrictions by some sports federations have that exclude male people with male pubertal advantage that there are not more cases.

amicissimma · 09/08/2024 18:01

From an interview with Daly Thompson, in The Telegraph. 'he is ... a crucial figure in agitating against the injustice of biological males competing in women's sport.'

He wrote in a report for the think tank, Policy Exchange, 'We risk alientating a generation of female athletes if we cannot promise them fair and safe play - from the grassroots to the top.'

On 'the IOC's "Portrayal Guidelines" document, advising journalists in Paris against the use of such terms as "born male" or "biologically male" on the grounds that such labels are "dehumanising" and constitute "problematic language". I don't understand why they, as the world governing body, don't take a stance.'

He also says 'The IOC, in their different forms over the past 40 or 50 years, have been negligent in their duty towards the one thing they should be looking after, and that's sport.'

TheKeatingFive · 09/08/2024 18:05

Shout out to the athletes who have been fantastic about this, despite the abuse they're getting for doing so.

Daley Thompson, Sharon Davies, Martina Navratilova, Nicola Adams, Barry McGuigan. I'm sure there are others.

We will remember the ones who were principled and courageous and the ones who werent.

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