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to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

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Misthios · 02/08/2024 22:29

They are not protestors. They are not protesting. They are common or garden thugs and criminals who are causing criminal damage, setting police offices on fire and attacking police officers.

Total scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

Building on fire

Protesters in Sunderland set car on fire and clash with police

Northumbria Police says its officers have been "subjected to serious violence".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

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HeyTalkToMeGoose · 03/08/2024 00:44

Nat6999 · 03/08/2024 00:42

Apparently, Sheffield on Sunday, I'm worried sick because ds is going on a trip with Young Carers as a leader & they are meeting & coming back to the City Centre.

Yeah I'd be cancelling that!

Nat6999 · 03/08/2024 00:45

It's time all the people like Farage, Lee Anderson, Suella Braverman etc were arrested for whipping up the racism & hatred. Why can't Tommy Robinson be found & dragged back to be arrested & locked up?

oakleaffy · 03/08/2024 00:45

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 03/08/2024 00:44

Yeah I'd be cancelling that!

Definitely !

ohfook · 03/08/2024 00:46

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Genuine question but what does 'wanting my country back' mean? I hear this a lot but I don't quite understand it?

oakleaffy · 03/08/2024 00:47

Nat6999 · 03/08/2024 00:45

It's time all the people like Farage, Lee Anderson, Suella Braverman etc were arrested for whipping up the racism & hatred. Why can't Tommy Robinson be found & dragged back to be arrested & locked up?

Strange that a riot is planned for our nearest city Saturday, and Sheffield on Sunday.

Rent a mob?? Travelling Zoo??

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2024 00:47

ContactNightmare · Yesterday 23:05
Summerflames · Yesterday 23:03
They've been in Liverpool tonight as well. Loads more riots planned for tomorrow, one in my home town so I'll be staying indoors.

Apparently Liverpool has them outnumbered

This. The good people of Liverpool won’t tolerate their nonsense.,They never have.

Summerflames · 03/08/2024 00:48

Good on the Liverpudlians!

oakleaffy · 03/08/2024 00:51

ohfook · 03/08/2024 00:46

Genuine question but what does 'wanting my country back' mean? I hear this a lot but I don't quite understand it?

I ''think'' it means to go back to the 1950's where there were only White faces in the streets, women were chained to the kitchen sink and doing the housework and cooking and Father went to work and there was a Pub on every corner. So basically going back 70 yrs.

{Guesswork}

MumblesParty · 03/08/2024 00:52

pimmpomm · 03/08/2024 00:15

There are riots because a bunch of racist thugs have used the tragic murder of three little girls as an excuse for violence, mayhem and vandalism. These people are not looking at any NHS waiting times or public service cuts. Hell they aren't even looking at the immigration figures. They are just racist cunts using someone else's tragic loss to suit their agenda.

I agree that these are racist thugs who are enjoying an opportunity to fight. But whilst they aren’t thinking of the NHS or public services as they throw bricks, it is nevertheless being done against a backdrop of resentment and dissatisfaction. Governments ignore an unhappy population at their peril, and dismissing the riots as being the behaviour of a small irrelevant racist minority is a dangerous mistake.

Hatfullofwillow · 03/08/2024 00:55

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 02/08/2024 23:24

@Highonthehillsisalonelygoatherd

It's on tik tok

Portsmouth
Bristol
Leeds
High Wycombe
Belfast
Nottingham
Blackpool
Blackburn
Manchester
Hull
Wrexham

Tomorrow,august 3rd

I'll be joining the counter protest in Nottingham. They need to get the message they're not welcome & they're outnumbered.

Nat6999 · 03/08/2024 00:55

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 03/08/2024 00:44

Yeah I'd be cancelling that!

They are meeting at the railway station & travelling away from the City, ds isn't running the trip, just going along to help & supervise, he is messaging the person who is running the trip & they can make the decision.

Wishfulthinking1977 · 03/08/2024 00:55

TattiePants · 03/08/2024 00:34

Unfortunately brown or black skin seems to equal Muslim in the eyes of a rioter. An Asian taxi driver driving through the city was set upon tonight for no other reason than he’s not white.

I really don't know what to say to that? Apart from what I have already said! We as a a mixed raced family have never had any issues!

MumblesParty · 03/08/2024 00:58

EddyF · 03/08/2024 00:38

So how do you explain racism and hate that these people have always had before this ‘extreme’ immigration problem of more recent times?

I have always wondered why the western world is fascinated with ‘others’ to the point of constantly doing studies on minorities in the country and the global world. What is it about Black skin that fascinates? Even BBC Africa has a slanted western view on the continent. I have never come across studies being done on why some white people are so hateful against others who are a different colour to them? It pounders my mind as a Black woman that maybe they're just inherently racist/brain-damaged?

How can you live life filled with so much hate and making your life so much smaller especially when the world is interconnected by the touch of a keystroke. Imagine missing on what the world/differences can enrich your life? Why can't the brains/psycs of such hateful people be studied properly? It can't just be IMMAGRATION!

I think human beings tribal to a variable extent, with a mistrust of people who are different, and a desire not to share what they have.

Northernnature · 03/08/2024 01:02

Don't be ridiculous. I blame politicians going back to Tony Blair. They took the racially harmonious country of the 90s and turned it into a divided country. There have been multiple attacks by asylum seekers maybe with mental health issues from dangerous countries in recent years - Reading - 3 gay men murdered in park, David Amess mp, little girl in Bolton, man in Hartlepool, several in Bournemouth. We can't even deport dangerous criminals like acid attack man who had done several sexual crimes because of blairs human rights laws. Only yesterday kurdish asylum seekers jailed for trying to push someone under a train for looking at him wrongly. These sorts of crimes never happened previously.
People like Starmer don't give a crap as they have protection. Their most important task is safety and security of the public including most vulnerable and they have failed. People of all races deserve better. The riots are a result if people's frustration at being ignored.

MumblesParty · 03/08/2024 01:04

I find it interesting that expertise and resources are directed at preventing young Muslims from being radicalised, but little is done to prevent young white men from being caught up in racist groups. I think the 2 processes are pretty similar. Young, disaffected men, facing financial hardship, looking for an identity, a “tribe” to follow, a belief system to identity with - and ending up filled with hate and a desire to hurt people.

Chipsdown · 03/08/2024 01:04

From what I can see on other social media people are angry and want answers. They don’t want to see baby faced pictures of the suspect from when he was a little kid splashed all over the newspapers. They want to see what he looks like now as an almost 18 year old suspected violent child murderer.

They don’t want the new pm threatening the protesters. They want to hear about what he’s going to do to make our children safe at school and in clubs. How he will tackle terrorism and violent crime. Attacking children is an act of terror….ive been getting emails from holiday clubs talking about extra safety measures after the attack. We are all scared because of this act.

The weak stance from Labour, playing it down in the media etc is giving the far right all the ammo it sadly needs to jump on this.

We have a very weak, inexperienced government and they’ve mismanaged this on N epic scale.

Northernnature · 03/08/2024 01:08

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Let’s hope that’s put an end to his reproductive capabilities.

Onabench · 03/08/2024 01:11

I live WITH these people. They truly believe in their "protest". It's generations of ignorance. I don't want to call them thick but they can't see beyond the stories they were raised with. They are thugs and criminals and live for drama and an arguement. I hope many of them get arrested.

Teahtime · 03/08/2024 01:11

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Turophilic · 03/08/2024 01:11

How he will tackle terrorism and violent crime.

I’m fairly sure the way to demand the government tackle violent crime is not to go out and commit violent crime.

Northernnature · 03/08/2024 01:19

Well I don't live in these areas and I'm not rioting but I still have extreme concerns about all the attacks we are seeing, and hatred from various communities. I'm extremely worried about the world my daughters will live in. That doesn't make me radicalised.

Lampzade · 03/08/2024 01:23

MumblesParty · 03/08/2024 00:08

It’s not difficult to understand why the riots are happening.

We are in the middle of a COL crisis. People are short of money. Hospital waiting lists are longer than ever. Schools are underfunded. Public services are being cut.

People see the immigration figures, the asylum seekers being housed in hotels, the statistics of the small boats arriving - and they instinctively think “hang on, if there weren’t so many people sharing this pie, I might get a bigger piece”. That thought is at the back of their mind all the time.

Then an atrocity is committed, and it’s by someone with a non-English name and dark skin, and they immediately connect the 2 issues. And they feel angry, and decide to riot.

I’m not justifying it at all, but it’s not hard to see how and why it happens.

German people were struggling, and Hitler used that fact to get normal people to turn on their neighbours.

When people feel short-changed, they get angry and they want someone to blame.

I live in the South East and my local hospital is staffed by doctors and nurses from countries such as Nigeria and India. So those hospital waiting lists would be in a worse state if they were not here
Also , I hope these racists thugs are willing and able to look after their elderly parents, because just in case they haven’t noticed we have an ageing population . Care homes are being staffed by people who have been encouraged to come here because we have a shortage of staff in the care sector as the indigenous population do not want to do the job.
The reason there is a shortage of housing is because successive governments have failed to build social housing
If these yobs had a brain cell between them they would be aware that the reason we have people trying to get here on boats is because Britain (along with other Western nations )has contributed to the destabilisation of countries such as Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.
These countries have links with Britain and therefore Britain is the first port of call for those whose lives have been destroyed by Western foreign policy
These yobs lack any critical thinking skills.

Lampzade · 03/08/2024 01:24

Turophilic · 03/08/2024 01:11

How he will tackle terrorism and violent crime.

I’m fairly sure the way to demand the government tackle violent crime is not to go out and commit violent crime.

Exactly

Apolloneuro · 03/08/2024 01:26

Right now, the only terrorists on our streets are white men. Setting fire to police stations. FFS.

FUCK the patriarchy.