to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

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They are not protestors. They are not protesting. They are common or garden thugs and criminals who are causing criminal damage, setting police offices on fire and attacking police officers.

Total scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

Yes the tech for conviction is going to speed this up a lot.

They claim to have capacity. All of them will be remanded in practice so no bail, no going home, and being in prison which is quite racially mixed already. Which won’t suit a lot of rioters

Many issues aside, is everyone comfortable with the accuracy of facial recognition?

I've not updated my knowledge recently but there were some concerns about serious mis-identifications a while ago. There are reportedly known problems:

Research shows that facial recognition discriminates against women and people of colour.

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/campaigns/stop-facial-recognition/

https://www.shlegal.com/insights/big-brother-is-watching-you-facial-recognition-in-the-uk

These and other tests can reveal disturbing racial disparities. In their own groundbreaking research, computer scientists Dr. Joy Buolamwini and Dr. Timnit Gebru tested several prominent gender classification algorithms, and found that those systems were less likely to accurately classify the faces of women with darker complexions. Following that, the ACLU of Northern California performed its own test of Amazon’s facial recognition software, which falsely matched the faces of 28 members of Congress with faces in a mugshot database, with Congressmembers of color being misidentified at higher rates. Since then, additional testing by NIST and academic researchers indicates that these problems persist.
While testing of facial recognition for accuracy and fairness across race, sex, and other characteristics is critical, the tests do not take full account of practical realities. There is no laboratory test that represents the conditions and reality of how police use face recognition in real world-scenarios. For one, testing labs are not going to have access to the exact “matching database,” the particular digital library of faces on mugshots, licenses, and surveillance photos, that police in a specific community search through when they operate face recognition. And tests cannot account for the full range of low-quality images from surveillance cameras (and truly dubious sources) that police feed into these systems, or the trouble police have when visually reviewing and choosing from a set of possible matches produced by the technology.

https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/when-it-comes-to-facial-recognition-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-magic-number

Facial recognition gets tens of thousands of us through passport control so it must be reasonably accurate.

The pieces I posted express concern about the accuracy level of checking relatively high quality images (think of all the instructions about taking your passport photo and how well you need to line up when going through automated systems) versus the relatively low quality images obtained in some crowd situations, particularly when there's a lot of untidy movement.

The ACLU piece is particularly interesting about this technology.

I really don't think potential Geordie rioters need my help signposting them to the date of the planned Newcastle protest. There is a list of times / dates / locations of approx. 30 planned protests that has been share thousands of time (including multiple timers on MN alone) across all social media. I just pointed out to you that the reason Saturday was peaceful in Newcastle wasn't because Geordies are so superior to Makems (as you tried to make out) but because it's another week until the protest is planned.

Off topic, I know someone who made it to a foreign country with his sons passport. It was accidental that he had the wrong passport. He doesn't even look like his son. He got trapped in another country til his relative sent the correct one out.

The rioters, not protesters, are aranging themselves on platforms like Telegram, they don't need prior knowledge from MN posters

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1820464037567619175

Far right activists are sharing on Telegram the addresses of some 30 immigration centres and law firms representing asylum seekers across the country, calling for people to go there wearing masks on Wednesday evening

Sickening

"The rioters, not protesters, are aranging themselves on platforms like Telegram, they don't need prior knowledge from MN posters

x.com/alexwickham/status/1820464037567619175

Far right activists are sharing on Telegram the addresses of some 30 immigration centres and law firms representing asylum seekers across the country, calling for people to go there wearing masks on Wednesday evening"

12,000 users on that Telegram account although they won't all be in the UK or anything to do with the UK (particularly noting the Russian lettering at the top of the message)

Just don't call them right wing thugs, remember they have legitimate concerns

They have managed to take control of our borders, countries are issuing travel advice against going to the UK

Those poor kids in that hotel they tried to set on fire. How terrified must they have been. There was a seven year old pictured at a window.

It's the weekend coming up apparently.

Unfortunately we have our own chest beating neanderthals hovering, waiting their turn

Reminder from the Home Office

That's good, but I do mind a bit that damage to property carries a higher sentence than damage to people!

BBC still referring to ‘anti-immigration protests’. Makes me so angry. It’s violent rioting. It’s not a protest. It’s terrorism.

Pro Palestine march, you mean anti genocide, anti holocaust, never again, means never again for all humans not just some humans?
How anyone can equate racist riots (buring things down and lobbing bricks at police ) with anti holocaust marches is beyond me 🙈

Someone causing damage to people may be charged with assault rather than a public order offence (or both). Assaults can carry a maximum sentence of life.
Sentencing guidelines for assaults can be found here.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/news/item/new-sentencing-guidelines-for-public-order-offences-published/

Crown Prosecution Service

This disorder has had a terrible impact of on communities: people barricaded in properties, businesses destroyed and police officers facing violence while trying to keep people safe.

The work of the criminal justice system will continue in overdrive over the coming days.

They will be able to track the movements of many of the rioters across multiple cameras. For example if someone is seen punching a policeman and has their face covered, they will be able to zone in on that person and walk them back through footage across the network to the point when they inevitably got off the train or came out of the pub before putting the mask on. Some of these images will be clear.

They can also use the phone numbers to trace location activity to match footage etc. There’s also a ton of technology they use which we don’t know about. The type which thwarts multiple attempted terrorists attacks.

These rioters are fucked and alone. Their hero Tommy Robinson has fled abroad and their spiritual leader, the grifter Farage will be protected by his rich sponsors.

Did Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon purposefully light the touchpaper and fuck off to Ayia Napa so he didn't have to get his hands dirty?

What an absolute coward getting all these people to do his dirty work for him.

Aren't they pissed off that they'll be serving time while he's sipping cocktails and smirking at how they did what he told them too while he sits with his hands down his pants?

They've really been shafted by him.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj622z0w7n0o

Yes and for this Robinson's passport and citizenship should be revoked just like they did with Shamima Begum. Now how ironic would that be?

Absolutely
I have now decided to call these thugs terrorists became in my opinion that is what they are

Very interesting about Yaxley Leonnon and money. Far right links to US and also banking

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/06/are-the-authorities-powerless-to-stop-tommy-robinsons-online-output

Ironic and karmic as it would be, we shouldn’t do it. We shouldn’t have done it to Begum either. It’s time the country was run with some respect for international law and general humanity, even if some people don’t behave like that themselves.