to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

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They are not protestors. They are not protesting. They are common or garden thugs and criminals who are causing criminal damage, setting police offices on fire and attacking police officers.

Total scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

I'm not condoning violent protests.

Just trying to understand the frustrations of people thoughts and feelings on unrestricted immigration by single men of a certain age/religion and being ignored

I missed that! Just been looking at one of the SAFC fan sites. People on there are very unhappy that some of the 'protestors' were wearing Sunderland shirts and want the club to hand lifetime bans to anyone involved.

And there's an away match today so they're also discussing possible chants for it. This one made me 😁
'Fk em all
Fk em all
Robinson Farage and all
We’ll never be mastered
By daft far right b & $ t *rds
Sunderland’s the best of them all'

Anyone who thinks this violence is about anything other than race just needs to look at the response of the far right to the murder of Daniel Anjorin.

A Black british child killed by a white immgrant and not a peep from the far right but the second they hear about an attack by a non-white offender they're out in force destroying towns.

If you find yourself trying to make excuses for these scumbags or justifying their behaviour then you're every bit as bad as them and I want my country back from the likes of you!

Exactly. Just an 'excuse' for mindless stupidity.

They always have been. I remember them 30 years ago. Then they were the National Front and the BNP, who wanted to repatriate all non whites from Britain. Be scared of them. They are very violent and very racist

Any idea when the rioters will stop being unpleasant?

it really sounds like you are.

"I condemn the riots" is a complete sentence and needs no caveats.

So your kids have, in fact, experienced racism?

No. But since I’d like them to be chopped up for shark bait, sooner rather than later I hope.

So you haven't actually asked your husband whether or not he's experienced racism? You've just decided to answer for him?

Racism is still racism, even if it's directed at articulate people who can shut it down.

I was being rude to someone who appeared to be wheeling on whataboutery to deflect from how offensive it was for the thugs to wear those t-shirts. Which I make absolutely no apologies for.

Next time maybe make it clear perhaps that you are responding in part based on what another poster on another thread said?

Like I said they got the odd idiotic comment at school many years ago, it was immediately shut down by them,me and the school. I suppose they didn't take alot of notice and it was very rare. It was so long ago that I think perhaps I remember it but not them. I'm really not sure what else to say? They (to my knowledge) haven't since then.

As an Asian person, I can guarantee he has, some is in your face, some is subtle but it’s there. Everyone I know who has experienced racism felt it like a punch in the gut. I’m a bit surprised how willing you are to minimise it.

@WishfWishfulthinking1977 I was on a thread recently about parents of mixed race children. I'm white British, my children are half Indian. I said my children hadn't experienced any overt racism yet and I upset a lot of people. They said of course my children had and I was failing them as a mother for not realising. Some people were so upset with me they had to leave the thread! I felt absolutely awful and started questioning myself.
I'm sure my children (and us as a family) have experienced covert racism. Silent judgement and prejudice that we haven't noticed. However, I believe the experience at school has been good. Firstly, they are not in a minority. 60% of the children at school are from ethnic minorities so my children blend in. They certainly don't stand out for having slightly darker skin. Secondly, we live in a middle class area where people go to great efforts not to appear racist. I know middle class racism exists. Of course it does! But it's not as overt as the racism displayed by many of those at the riots.
As for my Indian husband, he's told me several times he's never experienced racism here. I've actually witnessed him face racism three times but he seemed completely oblivious! I don't know if he was just pretending not to notice or if he really was oblivious.
The first time we were in a jacuzzi. There were men with British Bull Dog tattoos. As soon as we got in, they made a big display of looking him up and down, looking disgusted and am saying "Well, looks like it's time we left". The second time, we were walking down the street, a drunk man saw him and shouted "Eurh! A brown man". The third time, we were driving. A man in a white van was near us and screamed with his face completely distorted with hate "PAKI". All these instances were upsetting but thankfully only three instances in 25 years. Obviously I don't know what else my DH has experienced when I'm not by his side.

The poster was saying the exact opposite of that...

It wasn’t that difficult to understand.

I said perfectly clearly that I think the t-shirts are shocking. How could anyone sensible think differently?

What does “wheeling on whataboutery” mean?

BBC appears to have pivoted this morning and is now calling them rioters which is far more descriptive.

An uneducated rent-a-mob who attach themselves to whatever "cause" is in the news, any excuse to fight the police, break into shops and set fire to stuff. These are not upstanding members of the community who have been driven to the end of their tether by circumstances. These are stupid, racist and violent people (well, men really) who want to blame anyone for their shitty lives except themselves. The dregs of humanity.

Social media platforms need to take better accountability.
And locals too, by identifying and reporting the thugs in any photos on social media or the news, the idiots throwing bricks at the police or setting fire or damaging property. Water cannons could escalate the situation and disperse crowds to more locations, only spreading the damage. I believe there's good reasoning in most situations for not using them. Most of society can empathise with a human line of front-line police force taking a stand, but not with a water cannon.

And then went on to make a comparison to Just Stop Oil.

When have Just Stop Oil thrown bricks at the police?

If you didnt mean the post to sound the way it did, perhaaps ask MNHQ to take it down.

That's a definite possibility, I think I'm going to bow out now as talk of my apparent failures seems to be derailing this thread. Obviously I'm not as astute as I thought I was!

Covert racism can be so so subtle its often hard to pin point. It's sometimes more of a feeling than something you can define.
My oldest DS probably thinks he has never experienced racism. But we moved house in part because covert, middle class racism was so prolific. I'm talking him being overlooked in queues at the summer fair, sitting the 3 black/brown kids together for everything, asking if his (extraordinarily ordinary) behavior was "cultural".

You don't need to say anything else. You need to STOP saying that your non-white family members haven't experienced racism when, a) by your own admission, they have, and, b) you haven't even bothered to ask them. It's incredibly disrespectful to the people you should be respecting most.

Well I don't seem to be the only one who was unsure what it was exactly you were trying to say.

It seems we both think the thugs are out of order. It seems we both think that them wearing those t-shirts is horrible. Let's leave it there.

Well of course it would. Labour have only been in for 5 minutes. They haven't changed a little bit yet (except resolving a few strikes and finding more Tory corruption). The state of the country is entirely due to the Tories.

Even if posters react as they did politicians will have to understand it

Or maybe not but the next five years will get harsher and more volatile