to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

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They are not protestors. They are not protesting. They are common or garden thugs and criminals who are causing criminal damage, setting police offices on fire and attacking police officers.

Total scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

Maybe you should ask your husband about his experience of racism...

PP asked the question about the conservatives.

I do apologise for upsetting your morning. I bid you a good day.

I'm confused, are you saying the rioters are immigrants?

I guess in a sense they are as many of them are not trashing the streets and towns they live in.

Can you direct me to stories about JSO burning, looting and attacking passers by?

I don't actually agree with all of JSO's tactics, but to compare them to these thugs is ridiculous.

I don't claim to be any smarter than anyone else on here. I am just an average person who is fucking furious about what is happening. And the fact that these thugs are wearing t-shirts with dead children's faces on is sickening. I don't understand why you would not condemn it rather than try to bring JSO into it.

Have all those who have been rioting been named. I gather that naming people before the judicial process has run its course is in the public interest.

If I was Russia or China, I'd be laughing my head off at how easy it's been to whip up trouble. Have a play around on Twitter, shout something about Islam and before you know it, you've got yourself a nice little riot.

Haven't got a brain cell between them.

When did Just Stop Oil set fire to a police station?

@millymollymoomoo do you have information that the attacker was Muslim? Please provide links if you do, because many of us haven't seen any evidence of this.

Even if he were, that wouldn't justify violent riots attacking innocent people around the country.

He's never really experienced any tbh, my kids got the odd comment at school but as I said we are pretty rural so perhaps we don't get caught up in the issues so much? I really don't know!

Your children are experiencing racism at school and you don't think thats a big deal? Your poor kids.
Of course he's experienced racism. You just haven't taken any notice.

I actually do think exactly the same would have happened under a tory government. Theres a rot in our society, so many people seem to feel like they are not part of a wider community despite the fact that every single one of us through our actions contribute to what kind of society we have. It’s like dropping litter on the floor then complaining the place is covered in rubbish.

The language of debate has deteriorated to shaming, yelling, excluding, attacking on both sides. We struggle to debate articulately and think outrage can replace reason. Just look at the defence of men in women’s boxing, “how dare you say that! You are a terrible person”. We are shit at having civil debate, so who’s really surprised that we are now back to riots.

Often children put up with a lot before they actually say anything.

As I said he hasn't experienced any! I'm pretty sure he would have said after 30 years! And my kis are grown up and as I said they got the odd comment but they were articulate enough to shut it down quickly! Bit judgy!

TBH, I was really just poking fun at a (large) section of MN posters. But you’re right, of course, JSO haven’t set fire to a police station.

My comment was largely based on a poster on a JSO thread who objected to the sentences those protesters got for causing millions of pounds worth of damage and saying that the JSO protests would get violent because the cause is so important.

Its just absolutely impossible that he hasn't experienced any racism. You just haven't realised and he, like my DH, just powers on through.

Completely agree. Farage has staked his entire career on stirring the pot against whoever's in charge, and he doesn't care if it's Conservatives or Labour. It's all good attention for him and he doesn't care what impact it has on the country.

I do think the far right feel enabled by the Reform vote. They can claim to be the opposition etc. That sound be the Conservatives but they aren’t really up to it

Fair enough, I suppose perhaps he doesn't take any notice? When my kids did I was quick enough to deal with it.

The problem in part is perhaps that the Conservatives cant decide if they are a moderate centre right party, or trying to join the far right. One of their leadership candidates thought it appropriate to paint over murals at immigration detention centre lest it look too welcoming.

That's what scares me. Even when this all calms down, they'll still be there.

So I was supposed to understand all this context when you replied to my post about being horrified by the t-shirt's some of the thugs are wearing?

They're not saying JSO set fire to anything. They're saying that many on mumsnet were absolutely delighted when the JSO protesters were jailed, citing the disruption they caused as justification for the lengthy prison sentence.

Those same posters are now conspicuous in their absence in condemning the far right riots we're seeing, with many trying to excuse the behaviour of these racist thugs because 'they're not being listened too'.

@absquatulize / Jenrick I think will win. I may not be a Tory, but they need to be back in the picture. Farage is not someone who wants to be constructive. He tears things down.

No, that’s fair.

But you could have avoided being so unpleasant.

This is inexcusable racially motivated violent disorder. Rioters have damaged property and attacked the police. They have chanted racist slurs. It needs to be called out for what it is and the individuals involved take responsibility for their actions.
We need to challenge the narrative that immigration is at the root of all problems in. Many of us live and work in integrated and functioning communities and workplaces. I am currently receiving NHS treatment and value the care and contribution made by the team from all backgrounds.
Blaming the situation on the labour government or Keir Starmer is ridiculous they have just got into power.
Misinformation is spread on social media, there are chronic problems with poverty. These are not justifiable reasons to be violent and racist.