Women with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome

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https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/#:~:text=Girls%20with%20CAIS%20do%20not,make%20some%20sexual%20acts%20difficult.
Inspired by the dumpster fire of a certain thread that filled up just now -
AIBU to share some information about girls and women with CAIS. Many of these women and girls won’t learn about their variation in sex characteristics until adulthood. Some might never know and not without the assistance of modern technologies (that can test , eg, karyotype). For cases of CAIS identified at birth, most individuals are assigned/ registered/ raised female. (Yes sex can be assigned).

Anyone who could know a girl/ woman with CAIS in the real world, and tell her she is , in fact , unambiguously a boy/ man, because gametes, - well you would deserve worse than to be called a sexual fascist.

The NHS recognises the existence of girls and women with CAIS , and provides medical interventions accordingly.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/androgen-insensitivity-syndrome/symptoms/#:~:text=Girls%20with%20CAIS%20do%20not,make%20some%20sexual%20acts%20difficult.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK1429/

Yes these conditions are rare, but the more we learn about the biology of sex development , the more complex the picture becomes, as with most areas of science/ biology/ medicine .

As sad as this is I really do not give a toss when it comes to women’s sport. They belong in the men’s category where they can compete with men of similar testosterone levels. I am so sick of this shit. Stop trying to get men into women’s sport. Bullying, name calling and all the other tactics haven’t worked. Now you’re going for the sympathy vote. These people are men. MEN!!

They belong in the men’s category where they can compete with men of similar testosterone levels

when you say “they” who do you mean?

Absolutely. Males, ie people with XY chromosomes, do not belong in female sport.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/

Then why didn't you challenge them there? Seems rather odd to start a thread about a completely different medical condition.

the thread filled up

sex is binary - there are two gametes. Physiology and the development of secondary sexual characteristics is not binary (clearly). Anyone with a DSD should be treated with respect. That doesn't change my view that it's not ok for a male to hit a female in the face harder than she (an Olympic boxer) has ever been hit before, break her nose, and call it Olympic sport

If they have complete androgen insensitivity then they won't have gone through male puberty and sunsequently developed male physiology.

Yes the debate is complex. But it's not complex to grasp that a person with the physiology of a man should not compete against women because at best they have an unfair advantage and at worst are dangerous.

No one has a right to compete at the Olympics.

Those who do compete, especially in contact sports, have a right to do so safely. That’s why there are weight categories as well as sex categories.

While people with DSD conditions absolutely deserve compassion and kindness, they do not have a right to compete in ways that make other people unsafe. The Italian competitor feared for her life. That’s not okay.

When it comes to the crunch regardless of whether or not this person wins, they have an unfair advantage and are nothing better than a drug cheat. They deserve zero respect

Debunked many times over and written by an anthropologist who accepts there are only two gametes.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/heres-why-human-sex-is-binary/

I’ll be sure to let scientific American know that they’ve got it wrong

Reported for threatening language.

“Anyone who could know a girl/ woman with CAIS in the real world, and tell her she is , in fact , unambiguously a boy/ man, because gametes, - well you would deserve worse than to be called a sexual fascist.”

@whattywhattaa
Human characteristics fall under a bell curve.
Elite female athletes and their physiology, be it big feet, long legs or high performing cardiovascular system are at one extreme of that distribution. It's why they excel at sport and the rest of us don't . Perfectly normal.

Men and their physiology does not fall within the distribution curve for women, because they are , you know, men.

It's not the same thing at all as some women being blessed with an athletic physique whilst others aren't.

I’ll be sure to let scientific American know that they’ve got it wrong

You do that, they're controlled by mad activists.

yes but what is “the physiology of a man” precisely? What is the deciding factor that gives men a sporting advantage that needs to be accounted for? These are questions that are actually very complex, and not as easy to answer/ determine as people suppose. People typically say karyotype or gametes (as per a pp just above) are the one deciding factor , which is why I chose to highlight the example of women with CAIS, to show how this isn’t the case.
Again, I don’t know about the medical circumstances of those two particular athletes, I’m not sure this information is public, but this issue is much much more complex than it was being presented in that thread and in newspaper articles.

Sorry meant to quote @Donotneedit

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While people with DSD conditions absolutely deserve compassion and kindness, they do not have a right to compete in ways that make other people unsafe. The Italian competitor feared for her life. That’s not okay.

This.

Presumably the people insistent that women with Swyer syndrome (most of whom have a uterus) are definitely men will no longer be objecting to “women and people with X” terminology then.

Someone who knows the difference between men and women.

You won't be the first,or the last.

Women with CAIS dont go through male puberty.

The testosterone is there but their cells can't "see" it so it has no effect on their cells. Their muscles don't grow like boys do in puberty (or at any other time of life) because their muscle cells aren't affected by testosterone. Their bones don't grow like boys do in puberty because their bones aren't affected by testosterone. They don't get male-pattern body hair because their skin cells aren't affected by testosterone.

Testosterone cannot give them any advantage at all because their cells just ignore it.

No need, they were told by many people who were qualified to comment on biology but they've been captured by activists and seem quite unconcerned about flushing their credibility down the toilet.

It shouldn't surprise us given how many, otherwise intelligent, people think women can have penises and men can get pregnant.

I mean you say that like they haven't got it wrong, which they have.