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shocked my best friend voted Reform

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clearmoon · 31/07/2024 23:42

Long standing close friend came round for dinner and we were nattering away, and she just mentioned off hand in the conversation that she had voted Reform. i am really shocked. We don't discuss politics much. But I would have guessed lib dems or labour. I love her dearly. But I do wonder if I should think about her differently now, or just carry on as before

YANBU - She is not such a good person as I thought all these years
YABU-its all fine

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EI12 · 01/08/2024 07:35

Problem is, naive people think that they have real friends, that friendship allows a difference of opinions. They think that friends will accept them as they find them. Perish the thought a person says what he thinks. Perish the thought they are not woke. It is a very sad state of affairs. I have so many woke, do-good acquaintances. They are so vocal, so right-on. They volunteer their opinions. All of them have their children in private schools. Some of them have serious money. And not one of them volunteered to put a boat child through their kids' private school, even for the last two years, to prepare them for uni. It would not occur to them, but they are happy that state schools should accommodate the children of the new arrivals, whilst their own children are safely ensconced in the comfort of private schools. Their houses fly Ukrainian flags with not a single Ukrainian hosted inside! My flat is privatised, it is in a semi, our neighbours in the same 3-bed flat (council) are: mum and dad, their two 30+ year old sons and one son's daughter (son split with mum and has custody). They are wonderful, kind working class people, all working full-time in minimum wage jobs and no council housing is available for the son with his little daughter to move out (4 years no). They voted Reform. Nasty racists, they.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 07:36

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:29

I am a Labour voter, which she will know as I has a labour poster in my window. Other friends that I know about voted Labour, Libdem ( lots of lib dem friends, actually) Green, workers party, and Tory

So is your plan to drop her as a bf and just stick with other voters

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:37

Stumped7 · 01/08/2024 07:10

Did you even ask her why she voted Reform before assuming racism?

I nearly voted Reform because they're the only party advocating for a complete remodelling of the health service, and I agree that the French model, which they want to reproduce, works much better. I also think that they're the only truly low tax party. And that instead of talking about building more houses and infrastructure, the problem could be solved at root levels if migration was kept at net levels. I am the grandchild of immigrants. I didn't vote for them because I disagree with its stance on Ukraine, but none of my reasons for nearly voting for them were racist. So why do so manu assume all Reform voters are racist?

Edited

why are there posts talking about immigration at net levels? I'm reading through the whole thread this morning, and this is the second post I have come across that says this. I assumed thought the first one was a typo.

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bombastix · 01/08/2024 07:38

This is why friends don’t talk about politics really; and your friend might. be clever but she is also being a bit provocative in telling you perhaps?

I would if it were me not discuss it again. If she raises it again then have a good think about your friendship because differing politics is one thing, but it can be a passive aggressive attack on you. There is not actually very much reason to talk directly about how you vote

Stumped7 · 01/08/2024 07:40

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:37

why are there posts talking about immigration at net levels? I'm reading through the whole thread this morning, and this is the second post I have come across that says this. I assumed thought the first one was a typo.

Erm... Because Reform advocate for maintaining migration at net levels ( at the figure of tens of thousands), rather than it increasing indefinitely.

Also, how can "net levels" be a typo?

Starzinsky · 01/08/2024 07:40

I don't think any parties are better than the other.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 07:42

AgnesX · 01/08/2024 07:25

Why not. People should have the courage of their convictions or at least their beliefs.

If people are ashamed of what they believe, then on some level they know it's not right.

It could just be they know how intolerant some are and prefer to avoid the repercussions of that

DoreenonTill8 · 01/08/2024 07:42

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 07:36

So is your plan to drop her as a bf and just stick with other voters

But of course she'll have to tell her why!

time2changeCharlieBrown · 01/08/2024 07:43

Waltdisnerd · 01/08/2024 00:21

I don't care how anyone else votes. People have different opinions to me but that doesn't make them wrong and me right

This
everyone has their own reasons that may not make sense and if people voted differently to myself then I respect that
whats the point in holding it against them or judging them, it’s not going to change anything
just as long as your pleased with your own vote I can’t understand how people get so angry about this and cut people off because of it.

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:44

Stumped7 · 01/08/2024 07:40

Erm... Because Reform advocate for maintaining migration at net levels ( at the figure of tens of thousands), rather than it increasing indefinitely.

Also, how can "net levels" be a typo?

It doesn't have a meaning, does it? It doesn't seem to make any sense in English, that is why I was asking. Doesn't it mean "overall". What "does maintain at overall levels" mean? I can't understand it.

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ElBandito · 01/08/2024 07:44

Maloneyb · 01/08/2024 06:04

No I think I either explained the point wrong or you misunderstood

she gave no interest in understanding the parties until
her bf came along - it was a “I’ll support them because my dad does” not knowing what she was supporting exactly.. but if you wanna take it as manipulation then that’s on you.. because it wasn’t lol

She's basically just voting the way the (currently) most important man in her life tells her to.

GentlemanJay · 01/08/2024 07:44

I've seen comments like this on Facebook. "Discovered my best man from my wedding was a Reform voter. Don't want anything more to do with him"

Are people not allowed their own view. What gives anyone the right to think their views are the only legitimate ones. My way or the highway.

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:45

I've read carefully, and the shock has worn off now. Yes I will think of her a bit differently, but 30 years of close friendship, since out eldests were together in nursery, no, she is still my best friend this morning. I don't intend to return to the subject unless she does though

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Daysnconfuddled · 01/08/2024 07:48

Yabvu to be so judgey and ignorant.

Another2Cats · 01/08/2024 07:48

swimsong · 01/08/2024 05:13

No, explain what you think is ironic.

One poster asked the other why she was so righteous. The other then replied with "Righteous?" implying something like "Righteous, what me?" and then went on to give a perfect example of somebody being righteous.

AmusedMaker · 01/08/2024 07:49

If she just blurted out randomly that she voted reform ( which your op seems to suggest? )
maybe she’s looking for a way out of the friendship. I mean, why would anyone do that? especially knowing your political beliefs.

Didimum · 01/08/2024 07:50

Life long Lib Dem voter here (though Labour this time), and your friend needs new friends if you’re going to attempt to judge her politically. You are not superior because you are a liberal, left wing or centrist.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 07:51

Didimum · 01/08/2024 07:50

Life long Lib Dem voter here (though Labour this time), and your friend needs new friends if you’re going to attempt to judge her politically. You are not superior because you are a liberal, left wing or centrist.

Agree maybe the friend should decide given this thread

Tumbleweed101 · 01/08/2024 07:51

Quite a few people ì know voted reform. I'm not sure that they studied their manifesto so much as were using it as a protest vote because they are desperate for something that cons and Labour aren't offering the average person.

PinkTonic · 01/08/2024 07:52

zoemum2006 · 01/08/2024 06:05

I couldn't be friends with someone who lacked critical thinking skills and anyone who votes for a Nigel Farage party (who is such a blatant con artist/ grifter) would no longer have my respect. I don't see how you could be friends with someone you didn't respect.

Whilst you yourself lack the capacity to understand and accept that people have a wide range of reasons for voting as they do and arrogantly hold yourself in superior moral judgment. It’s a very rigid and some would say authoritarian position. 🙂

DoreenonTill8 · 01/08/2024 07:52

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:45

I've read carefully, and the shock has worn off now. Yes I will think of her a bit differently, but 30 years of close friendship, since out eldests were together in nursery, no, she is still my best friend this morning. I don't intend to return to the subject unless she does though

Ah so you'll just continue to silently, righteously judge her @clearmoon ? Holding her in contempt while thinking she's an ignorant racist, but smiling to her face?
Yep, you're the better person...

PointsSouth · 01/08/2024 07:52

sesquipedalian · 31/07/2024 23:59

People vote many ways for many reasons. The consensus of opinion at the last election from many people I’ve spoken to seemed to be that the Conservatives deserved to lose, but Labour didn’t deserve to win. To vote for more or less any of the small parties could be seen as a protest vote, in that they were never going to form a government. And if your friend voted Reform because she agrees with their policies, that is her prerogative. You don’t need to fall out about it!

Yeah, you do...

dottiehens · 01/08/2024 07:52

Fair enough move on but why you need to come and open a threat about it? Very obvious you are after something else.

Stumped7 · 01/08/2024 07:52

clearmoon · 01/08/2024 07:44

It doesn't have a meaning, does it? It doesn't seem to make any sense in English, that is why I was asking. Doesn't it mean "overall". What "does maintain at overall levels" mean? I can't understand it.

I guess you've not actually read their immigration policy then, and are just making assumptions that it must be nonsensical and racist.

They want to reduce migration to tens of thousands, and then maintain it at net levels. Net levels means not increasing year on year.

tuvamoodyson · 01/08/2024 07:54

DoreenonTill8 · 01/08/2024 07:42

But of course she'll have to tell her why!

No she won’t, this is MN, everyone is ‘too shocked at to say anything at the time’ or hates confrontation…