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BBC.. time to call it a day ?

118 replies

Shudahaddogs · 31/07/2024 19:20

How much can one corporation get wrong before we all say enough?

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MoonAndStarsAndSky · 31/07/2024 21:26

I'd love to defund the BBC. I don't think we should be legally compelled to fund an institution that:

A) we don't all consume (even if we watch other terrestrial channels we are forced legally to pay for the BBC)
B) is politically biased
C) has had too much controversy surrounding their staff

When institutions are publicly funded they are held to different standards than other companies and the BBC continues to fall short. The concept of a public service broadcaster is now outdated, we are no longer relying on the BBC and a couple of other outlets.

Chocolatefrogs · 31/07/2024 21:29

Mnk711 · 31/07/2024 21:23

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/am-i-surprised-about-huw-edwards-looking-back-i-shouldnt-be-jjlrb2rnk

'During our encounters, did I have any clue that Edwards was anything more than a happily married father of five? I did not. He talked admiringly of his children and warmly of his wife, the current affairs producer Vicky Flind. As for any hint of paedophilia — a man so accomplished at concealing so much from so many for so long, would not have betrayed that inclination to anyone who was not of the same hideous bent.'

I really can’t fucking stand this, when something terrible happens and people pop out of the woodwork to say they saw it coming

SlothOnARope · 31/07/2024 22:27

Didimum · 31/07/2024 20:56

Increasingly, with such high political and polarised debate and world conflict, it's essential for members of the public to have access to accurate, trustworthy and robust journalism. The quality of the BBC compared to other worldwide broadcasting is unparalleled. So yes, being 'less shit' matters, if you feel the need to put it that way.

No organisation – ever – will be perfect, and it's important to realise that the BBC comes up against greater scrutiny than any other media organisation in the country – if not the world. And it's been long documented that viewers with the strongest political views (in any direction) are most critical of the BBC's impartiality. As political polarisation is generally increasing, it makes sense that these criticisms of impartiality are also.

Something I think the BBC needs to better achieve is diversification of broadcasting, with a larger scope of reporting from people who understand regional issues at greater depth. And this is something that the Director General has also acknowledged.

But how is its quality unparalleled? Because you want it to be/perceive it as being so?

These are just the usual unsubstantiated arguments, trotted out without any concrete examples of how the BBC can continue to justify its licence paying scam.

cupcaske123 · 31/07/2024 22:43

SlothOnARope · 31/07/2024 22:27

But how is its quality unparalleled? Because you want it to be/perceive it as being so?

These are just the usual unsubstantiated arguments, trotted out without any concrete examples of how the BBC can continue to justify its licence paying scam.

You don't have to pay for a licence.

Mnk711 · 31/07/2024 22:54

Chocolatefrogs · 31/07/2024 21:29

I really can’t fucking stand this, when something terrible happens and people pop out of the woodwork to say they saw it coming

@Chocolatefrogs I actually think it I'd ssying the opposite - apparently Edwards was very good at hiding the truth about who he was and what he was doing. So the idea that the BBC is to blame for that doesn't really seem fair to me. Like blaming a woman for unknowingly marrying a serial killer.

Chocolatefrogs · 31/07/2024 23:00

Mnk711 · 31/07/2024 22:54

@Chocolatefrogs I actually think it I'd ssying the opposite - apparently Edwards was very good at hiding the truth about who he was and what he was doing. So the idea that the BBC is to blame for that doesn't really seem fair to me. Like blaming a woman for unknowingly marrying a serial killer.

I’m not blaming the BBC at all in my post. I think the headline and sub-headline of the article make it seem as if the writer is now saying that it was obvious Huw Edwards would turn out to be a sex offender/padeophile.

The article title says ‘Am I surprised about Huw Edwards? Looking back, I shouldn’t be’ and the sub-headline says ‘… it’s now clear he lived a life of anxious concealment’. To me, that suggests the writer is saying it wasn’t that surprising that Huw Edwards has now been found out as a sex offender/paedophile.

The article is interesting and insightful, but I find the writer’s tone a bit superior and irritating.

Jumpingthruhoops · 31/07/2024 23:01

Didimum · 31/07/2024 19:42

We are incredibly lucky to have the BBC. I would be extremely worried if it ceased service.

Are we though?

I feel incredibly lucky to have Netflix... providing a constant stream of excellent programming that's totally worth the subscription fee I may for it.

What's lucky about having to pay a licence fee for a channel I barely watch that has completely lost its way?

Acapulco12 · 31/07/2024 23:01

Mnk711 · 31/07/2024 22:54

@Chocolatefrogs I actually think it I'd ssying the opposite - apparently Edwards was very good at hiding the truth about who he was and what he was doing. So the idea that the BBC is to blame for that doesn't really seem fair to me. Like blaming a woman for unknowingly marrying a serial killer.

Wow, what a leap to make in your comparison there - like ‘blaming a woman for unknowingly marrying a serial killer’. That’s an odd comparison.

Anonymous54 · 31/07/2024 23:02

I worked at the BBC during the Greg Dyke era, it was a very different place then. It’s going through a bad patch, largely due to Tory interference, airlifting one of their own in as DG.
It is still the envy of the world for all its faults.
Mark my words, you would bloody miss it if it went, could never be recreated. It badly needs reform but absolutely needs to stay.

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/07/2024 23:03

The BBC is excellent, world service and educational output especially.

They couldn’t sack him when he hadn’t been charged with anything, he would have sued.

Didimum · 31/07/2024 23:23

SlothOnARope · 31/07/2024 22:27

But how is its quality unparalleled? Because you want it to be/perceive it as being so?

These are just the usual unsubstantiated arguments, trotted out without any concrete examples of how the BBC can continue to justify its licence paying scam.

Yes I perceive it to be so, just as others do not.

Didimum · 31/07/2024 23:24

Jumpingthruhoops · 31/07/2024 23:01

Are we though?

I feel incredibly lucky to have Netflix... providing a constant stream of excellent programming that's totally worth the subscription fee I may for it.

What's lucky about having to pay a licence fee for a channel I barely watch that has completely lost its way?

Yes, I feel we are lucky. You don’t have to feel the same.

Valeriekat · 31/07/2024 23:46

KnickerlessParsons · 31/07/2024 20:05

It wasn't until today that we found out he was actually guilty of something. And the thing he's guilty of is not the thing he was originally suspended for.
The thing he's guilty of was only found out because the police weee investigating someone else who happened to have been in contact with Huw.

Anyway, employers can't immediately sack or stop paying employees because they have been suspected of doing something.
We are lucky enough to live in a country with good employment rights. You have to wait until someone has been charged and/or found guilty.
Imagine the furore if Huw had been sacked and then found to be innocent of any crime.

They didn't need to give him a pay rise though!

Valeriekat · 31/07/2024 23:47

hobbledyhoy · 31/07/2024 20:27

The BBC is something we should be immensely proud of and is revered around the world. Look at the mess that is created with partisan news channels - Fox News etc and creeping in here either GB news.

They cannot police thousands of staff and what they do in their own free time and of their own volition. You would need to apply the same logic to all businesses, which would be a violation of personal privacy and a ludicrous expectation.

They have already said they would have sacked him had he been charged, they like all employers, must follow legal process or they would be beset by employment tribunals.

As usual, the 'defund the BBC' specious argument, which has nothing to do actually do with the matter at hand.

Hardly anybody watches those channels though do they?

WildLemur · 01/08/2024 00:30

I objected to paying the license fee when I lived in the UK, as I seldom watched live TV, but having since emigrated I've come to see its importance.

Wordsfailmeeverytime · 01/08/2024 06:47

Anonymous54 · 31/07/2024 23:02

I worked at the BBC during the Greg Dyke era, it was a very different place then. It’s going through a bad patch, largely due to Tory interference, airlifting one of their own in as DG.
It is still the envy of the world for all its faults.
Mark my words, you would bloody miss it if it went, could never be recreated. It badly needs reform but absolutely needs to stay.

Absolutely. The people moaning are probably the same ones who voted to leave the EU. No doubt Trump and Farage supporters who believe all the anti establishment schtick. We all know how that turned out 😂

Wordsfailmeeverytime · 01/08/2024 06:48

Jumpingthruhoops · 31/07/2024 23:01

Are we though?

I feel incredibly lucky to have Netflix... providing a constant stream of excellent programming that's totally worth the subscription fee I may for it.

What's lucky about having to pay a licence fee for a channel I barely watch that has completely lost its way?

Netflix ? Half of it is ex BBC programming.

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 01/08/2024 06:51

Shudahaddogs · 31/07/2024 19:20

How much can one corporation get wrong before we all say enough?

I honestly think we need a much slimmed down corporation.

No political skew and no overpaid mugs like Linneker.

Vettrianofan · 01/08/2024 06:52

I don't watch any BBC TV.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 06:53

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 01/08/2024 06:51

I honestly think we need a much slimmed down corporation.

No political skew and no overpaid mugs like Linneker.

I’d go for this

Vettrianofan · 01/08/2024 06:54

Last paid a TV licence in 2020, no regrets not viewing TV all this time. We don't miss it at all. TV licence tries to convince us to come back - not happening!

BobnLen · 01/08/2024 07:07

Jumpingthruhoops · 31/07/2024 23:01

Are we though?

I feel incredibly lucky to have Netflix... providing a constant stream of excellent programming that's totally worth the subscription fee I may for it.

What's lucky about having to pay a licence fee for a channel I barely watch that has completely lost its way?

I paused my Netflix for 3 months as there was nothing to watch, I just reinstated it at £10.99 and unfortunately there's still nothing to watch, I'm surprised you think its excellent, it's probably the worst and most expensive of the streamers unless you get the crappy ad version which is cheap but bad. BBC doesn't have ads which I have noticed have been getting longer and longer on the other channels so I have paid to go ad free where I can which makes the streamers quite expensive.

MouseofCommons · 01/08/2024 07:15

Anon the DG gives off awful toxic vibes. The moment he tried to scrap cbbc he showed his true colours.

Daftasabroom · 01/08/2024 07:50

Shudahaddogs · 31/07/2024 19:32

I would rather women on a Saturday night not having to dance with a fracture or news readers having pled guilty..seems little to ask..

If you're going to ditch the BBC because someone trained too hard and was bullied in an ultra competitive field you'd have ban all professional sports, the Olympics, probably most theatre, TV, film etc

I'm not suggesting bullying is good, just that it is endemic across many aspects of life and particularly in elite activities. It's not limited to the BBC.

Daftasabroom · 01/08/2024 07:55

Jumpingthruhoops · 31/07/2024 23:01

Are we though?

I feel incredibly lucky to have Netflix... providing a constant stream of excellent programming that's totally worth the subscription fee I may for it.

What's lucky about having to pay a licence fee for a channel I barely watch that has completely lost its way?

You also pay for your broadband rental. £15 to £20 pcm?

Your license fee also pays for all the terrestrial broadcasting infrastructure used by all TV and Radio stations.