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Huw Edwards

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Aquarius1234 · 31/07/2024 09:50

To think he shouldn't have been paid in full while off long term. As its more like being self employed.
But mainly cos it was 475k upwards of our TV licence money!
Another example is when a famous radio presenter s decide to go off for an extended break to film another show or something. Surely they don't get normal pay when they have extra weeks off not on air!!

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Another2Cats · 31/07/2024 14:59

EsmaCannonball · 31/07/2024 14:35

A man who punched a woman and used a knife to slash her in the face, stomach and chest after she rejected his sexual advances was handed a suspended sentence yesterday. The judge apparently mentioned delays in the court case and lack of prison places as part of his decision not to hand down a custodial sentence. I would be surprised if Huw is going to jail.

It absolutely infuriates me that women go to prison for non-payment of TV licence or council tax fines but because men are such numerous, prolific and serious offenders it actually improves their odds of avoiding incarceration. It's a completely upside-down system.

"I would be surprised if Huw is going to jail."

I would agree with this. I just read that the he due to be sentenced at the Magistrates Court on 16th Sept.

The important part about being sentenced at the Magistrates Court is that you can only be sentenced to up to six months.

It seems likely that he will either get a suspended sentence or a community order (and I can just image him picking up litter in a bright orange hi-vis vest).

He will also be made subject to the notification requirements (aka the sex offenders register) for either 5 years if he gets a community order or 7 years if he gets a suspended sentence.

It is likely that he will also be made subject to a Sexual Harm Prevention Order (SHPO) for either 5 or 7 years. This order may include things like allowing police to view any of his devices at any time and not deleting any internet history etc.

CantDealwithChristmas · 31/07/2024 14:59

RepresentMe · 31/07/2024 14:42

Edwards was unlikely to report receiving these illegal images when he was obviously living this double-life, indulging in the exchange of pornographic images with a young man (who was obviously over the age of consent otherwise he’d be getting charged for that?) The children in question obviously must have looked young but he was trying to cover himself by ‘checking’ whether they were ‘legal’ or not. But he continued with his WhatsAp ‘relationship’ with this person. He obviously enjoyed the type of images he was being supplied with which must have involved torture/sadism.

The question is, who was this other person supplying these images to him? And where did this person get them? And why continue communicating with a person who obviously gets off on this stuff? And has this person been investigated and charged? Did they know they were communicating with Huw Edwards? Are we ever going to find out their identity?

It's in the news that the man accused of sending HE the images is currently under investigation by a different police force, not the Met but another force

LostTheMarble · 31/07/2024 14:59

Fluffyelephant · 31/07/2024 14:51

Where does it say this? Just wondering where the specifics of this are being reported as said different on BBC News.. but I guess BBC News would want to make it sound not quite so bad.

The 1 o’clock news reporters seemed more focus on assuring the public that they are asking their bosses why Edwards was still on the payroll despite being suspended and then arrested. Which is quite irrelevant considering the great points some have made here about the legalities of pay even when suspended.

threonate · 31/07/2024 15:00

MeouwCat · 31/07/2024 14:57

He is a devout christian apparantly and a regular church goer.

Classic!

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:00

eatfigs · 31/07/2024 12:52

Yeah they claimed not to know about Savile either but they covered that up too.

Savile's in the past.

How would any employer know about an employee's wrongdoing in their personal time unless it was brought to their attention in some way?

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:00

DragonFly98 · 31/07/2024 12:44

It should be repaid if there is a guilty verdict.

Not the way it works...!

Over40Overdating · 31/07/2024 15:00

@Lampslights I don’t think he will get a significant jail sentence given the arguments put forward.
I think he will get some form of jail time as the outcry would be too much otherwise, but I also think the judge will highlight the difference between him, someone who received illegal images on his phone unasked for and didn’t report it, and the sender who is distributing and possibly creating this content.

And I do think a difference should be made - if you have these proclivities and the only thing that keeps you from creating it is the prospect of going to jail, but you get the same sentence for ‘just’ consuming it, it creates an environment where people go all in because the punishment is the same.

To be clear - no one should be consuming this content and the punishment should be as harsh as possible but the people creating it are the source of the problem and need to be dealt with more much more severely. I hope whoever was sharing these images with HE is charged and the key thrown away.

Nobodyknowsitall5 · 31/07/2024 15:01

Lampslights · 31/07/2024 14:46

Yeah, I think some confusion on here, some folks seem to think some random was just sending him rape images and he was just some passive receiver . That’s not remotely the case.

Yeh you are right. The very fact that he has pleaded guilty so quickly would indicate that the evidence is so overwhelming, and that he wanted to avoid a trial because the depths of his horrific acts would come out in more detail. That's why I was confused.. because why not use his mitigation statement as a defence.. it's like that very statement is trying to make him appear innocent even though he has pleaded guilty.

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:03

TruthorDie · 31/07/2024 12:58

Oh well. Boo boo. He shouldn’t do scummy, illegal and immoral things. I doubt that caused his mental health distress -it was the getting caught bit that did it

Yes, I said, "caught".

CantDealwithChristmas · 31/07/2024 15:08

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:00

Savile's in the past.

How would any employer know about an employee's wrongdoing in their personal time unless it was brought to their attention in some way?

My understanding is that the parents of the vulnerable unwell teen he was messaging tried to bring it to the attention of the BBC but they didn't want to know

It's a shame as it's part of a predatory abuse pattern and so maybe if they had looked into it then it might all have come to light sooner

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:11

RedToothBrush · 31/07/2024 13:35

This.

By the sounds of it, he didn't disclose what was happening in terms of the investigation to the BBC and it's taken them by surprise. Which says a lot about him in his own right. He didn't respect the BBC enough to keep them up to date and protect the organisation better.

But then what do you expect from someone who didn't report images he knew to be illegal and kept in touch with the person who sent them.

His priority has been him.

I know someone who previously worked with his wife. She's apparently lovely and doesn't take shit. It's no surprise to hear that they quietly separated since everything came out. I really feel for her and her kids.

Him. Couldn't give a shit.

I also think its interesting how many people played down the allegations when they came out saying he had been a victim of a witch hunt. And continued to do so. They didn't want to understand how his status and position of power alone was problematic given what he was getting up to and how a similar relationship for someone working as a teacher would have been a sackable offence.

I wonder where those posters are now, given he'd pled guilty. They've all gone rather quiet.

He would have been sacked now too had he not resigned, same as a teacher would be.

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:13

Lilysgoneshopping · 31/07/2024 13:38

The dirty fucker did it to himself

Obviously.

HRTQueen · 31/07/2024 15:15

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 12:48

Employment law says you are wrong!

I was making a comment on how the BBC have handled this whole case

The BBC once again turned a blind eye. The BBC have since changed their policies in light of this scandal

NoSnowdrop · 31/07/2024 15:17

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:00

Savile's in the past.

How would any employer know about an employee's wrongdoing in their personal time unless it was brought to their attention in some way?

Why say Savile is in the past? Have you any idea how lingering the damage from childhood abuse lasts?

This is why there’s a problem when people can be so dismissive when they’re rightly being questioned.

SerafinasGoose · 31/07/2024 15:17

The victims were between seven and fourteen. Dear gods. Seven years old. SEVEN.

The damage done to victims of such appalling abuse is always deep-rooted and long-lasting. I so hope those children are now receiving some form of protection and help, and don't even like to think too deeply about what they might have or might still be going through at the hands of these monsters.

I also have no small amount of sympathy left for Edwards' wife. Married all that time and five children, only in the dotage of their lives to discover something of this gravity. Her whole married life, the life they built for themselves and the husband she thought she knew, were lies. Poor woman.

Iloveyoubut · 31/07/2024 15:18

Scirocco · 31/07/2024 14:45

If someone gave you an unsolicited bag of cocaine, you'd (hopefully) think "This is illegal, I need to report this to the police and get it far away from me". You probably wouldn't store it somewhere.

It's the same principle. If someone is sent illegal images of child abuse then those images need to be taken to the police. Having a stored copy is considered making images because the perpetrator is creating a new copy which is then able to be stored and shared, to further spread the abuse of the victim. If something is downloaded unintentionally (eg auto-download on a messaging app), then that needs to be reported to the police by the person who has received them, as soon as they realise what has happened.

Thank you so much for this, I read a very early stage report on the vase this morning and couldn’t quite fathom what was atually going on. Thank you.

EsmaCannonball · 31/07/2024 15:24

willowtolive · 31/07/2024 11:10

I'm struggling a bit with this one. He's been charged with making images but these images were sent by the adult male he was engaging with via WhatsApp. Huw told him to not send anything illegal and no more child images were sent after that. No other illegal images were found on any of Huws devices , only the ones sent to him on WhatsApp. I am not defending him at all but it's important to have the facts straight and comparisons to Saville are way off imo.

If someone sent you images of children being raped wouldn't you, at the very least, stop all contact with that person?

Some of the images were Category A so penetration, sadism or bestiality would have been involved.

Janiie · 31/07/2024 15:26

'I also have no small amount of sympathy left for Edwards' wife. Married all that time and five children, only in the dotage of their lives to discover something of this gravity. Her whole married life, the life they built for themselves and the husband she thought she knew, were lies'

How do these men keep their secrets though. How do they manage to have a full active sexual relationship with their spouse when they are gay and now we find out are perverts looking at child abuse images?

Mercurylines · 31/07/2024 15:28

hamstersarse · 31/07/2024 14:08

@RedToothBrush Yes, thanks. I wasn't aware that it could be that it was unsolicited.

Strange I've never received 'unsolicited' child rape pictures.

You'd think at the most basic level that paedophiles are slightly cautious about who they send them to...

a colleague and I said the same thing today - I’ve never been sent any unsolicited images of CSA on WhatsApp, even though my work phone number is publicly available. It’s not a coincidence. It’s clear as day to me that he did invite these images, likely implicitly.

Also, I’d block and report to the police immediately. Plus need counselling myself for whatever was sent to me.

SaintHonoria · 31/07/2024 15:31

What I gather is that a random male contacted him via social media and they started to engage in conversation with the male sensing Huw porn, legal porn.

Given that he's in the public eye and a married man, that's incredibly stupid of him as it could have been a trap.

Then the man sends him photos and films of underage children being abused and all Huw can say is don't send me anything illegal. Not a thought dow the children or reporting to the police.

Then they carry on with their WhatsApp messaging.

He clearly was more worried about getting into trouble than he was for the children's welfare.

What a despicable man.

EsmaCannonball · 31/07/2024 15:31

Runnerinthenight · 31/07/2024 15:00

Savile's in the past.

How would any employer know about an employee's wrongdoing in their personal time unless it was brought to their attention in some way?

The parents of the drug addict Huw had been giving money to since that young man was 17 went to the BBC for help so the organisation knew something. You have to wonder why on earth nobody at the BBC thought 'Oh shit!' when informed their flagship news presenter, their royal funeral and coronation man, was paying a teenage drug addict for sexual favours. Did they really never imagine it would come out one day? There were online rumours about this for a few years before the media got hold of the story last year. People knew something,

Charlize43 · 31/07/2024 15:31

I really do think that the government needs to abolish the BBC TV Licence immediately or at least call a referendum on whether it should continue to exist.

It makes me feel sick to think that my hard earned money is being used to pay for the abuse of women (SCD) and also being used to fund the sexual imagery of children and to exploit teenagers (HE case). It is sickening and disgusting!

Bromptotoo · 31/07/2024 15:32

Thunder8090 · 31/07/2024 13:06

And why are they banging on about his poor physical and mental health? It's totally irrelevant.

I'm fucking sick to death of criminals using the mental health trump card.

And all this 'be kind' bollocks.

I'm fucking sick to death of people who think mental health is a 'card' you can play in the courts or if you're in trouble/underperforming at work.

Another version, 'Playing the Race Card' has been found discriminatory. And so should derogatory references to Mental Health.

Fluffyelephant · 31/07/2024 15:33

Lampslights · 31/07/2024 14:52

Just Google, all major media outlets. The details of the case are everywhere.

But that's what I'm getting at. The media are reporting it differently to what you're describing:

'Edwards told him not to send any illegal images'

'Edwards asked him not to send any underage images, the court heard.'

So I was asking whether you had seen different information posted elsewhere.

https://news.sky.com/story/huw-edwards-set-to-appear-in-court-after-being-charged-with-making-indecent-images-of-children-13187776

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cmj260e54x7o

Former BBC newsreader Huw Edwards pleads guilty to making indecent images of children

The veteran broadcaster, 62, had 41 indecent images on WhatsApp, including seven of the most serious type.

https://news.sky.com/story/huw-edwards-set-to-appear-in-court-after-being-charged-with-making-indecent-images-of-children-13187776

Molly499 · 31/07/2024 15:33

Lilysgoneshopping · 31/07/2024 11:49

@RayonSunrise your post seems to suggest you are sympathising with a man who views images of children being abused.
Jimmy Savile he may not be, but that doesn't absolve him of any responsibility.
Child abuse is child abuse, period

Of course she Is not being sympathetic, she is just reporting FACTS, something that seems to have been missed or glossed over in some of these posts. The CRIME that he committed was not reporting the person who sent the illegal images, that is what he will be punished for. He specifically requested, multiple times, that he did not want to be sent anything illegal. He deleted the images straight away.

Please try and read facts.

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