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There is no such word as "eachother"...

95 replies

niadainud · 25/07/2024 07:35

...or "inbetween", "alot", "ofcourse", "infront" or "thankyou" (or "ect").

I'm probably BVU and I realise this is a forum not a dissertation, that some people are dyslexic and others didn't have the benefit of a good education, that language evolves and that "today" used to be two words and that this isn't Pedants' Corner.

But it's very annoying nonetheless (which is a word).

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HereBeFuckery · 25/07/2024 08:21

Don't worry @niadainud, this is Mumsnet, home of competitive virtue signalling. Most normal folk find SPAG errors irritating (especially those which betray a lack of reading, such as the ones you highlighted).

However it's apparently the done thing here to pretend that you don't believe this will hold anyone back in life; extra points if you claim not to even notice mistakes. Top tier players can attribute any error to dyslexia, even when the error has nothing to do with spelling/movement of letters.

politicalintrigue · 25/07/2024 08:21

HereBeFuckery · 25/07/2024 08:21

Don't worry @niadainud, this is Mumsnet, home of competitive virtue signalling. Most normal folk find SPAG errors irritating (especially those which betray a lack of reading, such as the ones you highlighted).

However it's apparently the done thing here to pretend that you don't believe this will hold anyone back in life; extra points if you claim not to even notice mistakes. Top tier players can attribute any error to dyslexia, even when the error has nothing to do with spelling/movement of letters.

weird

niadainud · 25/07/2024 08:22

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Whatevs.

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politicalintrigue · 25/07/2024 08:24

Do you really find this “very annoying” OP? or were you being hyperbolic ?

DontKeepScratchingIt · 25/07/2024 08:25

I particularly dislike it when people confuse their/they're/their, or use "of" instead of "have". I've got a friend who does that. She even gets mixed-up with to/two/too, and no/know, which I find astonishing, given that she's 67!

FineFettler · 25/07/2024 08:25

AlisonDonut · 25/07/2024 07:43

It does make sense in that people using the words are not being marked, graded, assessed and a qualification doesn't depend on them getting these words right at all times.

Ordinary good manners should mean that you try to make what you write easy to read.

Datgal · 25/07/2024 08:30

I don't even understand half of what the op is trying to say! 😂.
But I couldn't get worked up about someone putting two words together. It's just pointless.
I used to be a stickler for spelling and point errors out. But I met my partner. He has a first class degree in economics, but can't spell for shit. Dyslexic! He gets frustrated all the time and is really conscious about it when writing emails etc
I've changed my ways. I'm no longer a twat about these things. Live and let live.

FineFettler · 25/07/2024 08:33

HereBeFuckery · 25/07/2024 08:21

Don't worry @niadainud, this is Mumsnet, home of competitive virtue signalling. Most normal folk find SPAG errors irritating (especially those which betray a lack of reading, such as the ones you highlighted).

However it's apparently the done thing here to pretend that you don't believe this will hold anyone back in life; extra points if you claim not to even notice mistakes. Top tier players can attribute any error to dyslexia, even when the error has nothing to do with spelling/movement of letters.

Exactly. OP, if you care to start off a thread slagging off people's parenting, housekeeping, cooking, personal hygiene, interior decoration, driving etc, that will be entirely fine with Mumsnet. For some reason, however, it's a crime just to venture a timid suggestion that maybe a sentence like "He's mum wouldnt of done" isn't very clear.

RantyMcRanterton · 25/07/2024 08:33

Iirc correcting someone's grammar on the boards is considered NITS so, if reported, a crit of SPAG will likely be deleted.

Complain on the Pedants' Corner board freely.

sadabouti · 25/07/2024 08:34

You're in the wrong place. Try pedant's corner for likeminded folk.

Winederlust · 25/07/2024 08:37

Garlicnaan · 25/07/2024 08:10

You don't understand how dyslexia works.

Not everyone with poor spelling is dyslexic.

politicalintrigue · 25/07/2024 08:37

sadabouti · 25/07/2024 08:34

You're in the wrong place. Try pedant's corner for likeminded folk.

wouldn’t have given the attention the OP craved

Winederlust · 25/07/2024 08:41

politicalintrigue · 25/07/2024 08:05

that would not downgrade for us of eachother unless English

Edited

Second time you've posted that and it still makes no sense...

jannier · 25/07/2024 08:41

Language evolves which is why we struggle to read original Shakespearian manuscripts and why new words are added to dictionaries every year.
We used to say something is full of character now characterful is more common.

politicalintrigue · 25/07/2024 08:44

Winederlust · 25/07/2024 08:41

Second time you've posted that and it still makes no sense...

agreed

sticky keypad

DiscoBeat · 25/07/2024 08:46

Damnright

Fahbeep · 25/07/2024 08:48

Da reson y spell and gramer punch down no allow is dat is way middle folk laugh at small folk so no no. Make u look dick.

Translation: marking people's spelling and grammar on MN is a form of classism (and regionalism) in which one person seeks to assert intellectual superiority over another in a free debate by attempting to assume control over proper language usages. In a free speech forum (across various demographics and cultures) where all opinions are presented for equal consideration, doing this to "win" an argument or undermine another debater is considered a faux pas.

The debater's point is understood the same regardless of its language framing. In fact, some might think it easier to grasp put the first way. And languages evolve. So no one has the right to assert dominance over language.

mugboat · 25/07/2024 08:49

niadainud · 25/07/2024 08:02

A pisspoor one, as they might say in Private Eye.

my autocorrect adds in full stops in the middle of 2 words sometimes 😨

niadainud · 25/07/2024 09:25

FineFettler · 25/07/2024 08:33

Exactly. OP, if you care to start off a thread slagging off people's parenting, housekeeping, cooking, personal hygiene, interior decoration, driving etc, that will be entirely fine with Mumsnet. For some reason, however, it's a crime just to venture a timid suggestion that maybe a sentence like "He's mum wouldnt of done" isn't very clear.

Yes, I find this quite perplexing but it's definitely the case.

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TinkerTiger · 25/07/2024 09:28

Pedant's Corner is that way

TinkerTiger · 25/07/2024 09:31

If, for example, I hadn't realised it's "toe the line", not "toe the line", and then I read something correcting that misapprehension I would then start spelling it correctly.

But don't you realise that if people have made it all the way through school where they've had constant correction and teaching and still get it wrong, then it must be an underlying issue that it is nonsensical to get worked up about?

HereBeFuckery · 25/07/2024 09:32

@Fahbeep

Da reson y spell and gramer punch down no allow is dat is way middle folk laugh at small folk so no no. Make u look dick.

Okay, I'll bite.
"Da" clearly phonetic for 'The'.
"Reson" obvious mistake, but comprehensible.
"y" - shortcut, makes sense phonetically.
"spell" - gives me pause, could be 'magical spell', not a common mistake to make with the word 'spelling'
"gramer" - does the person mean 'grammar' or 'grandma'?

Already, the writing is obscuring meaning. Writing is communication of meaning, so this writing is not doing its job correctly.

"Punch down no allow" - sorry, you lost me.

As for conflating speaking and writing? Way to miss the point.

niadainud · 25/07/2024 09:36

Fahbeep · 25/07/2024 08:48

Da reson y spell and gramer punch down no allow is dat is way middle folk laugh at small folk so no no. Make u look dick.

Translation: marking people's spelling and grammar on MN is a form of classism (and regionalism) in which one person seeks to assert intellectual superiority over another in a free debate by attempting to assume control over proper language usages. In a free speech forum (across various demographics and cultures) where all opinions are presented for equal consideration, doing this to "win" an argument or undermine another debater is considered a faux pas.

The debater's point is understood the same regardless of its language framing. In fact, some might think it easier to grasp put the first way. And languages evolve. So no one has the right to assert dominance over language.

You are right to an extent about classism and regionalism, but I'm afraid I have to disagree on a couple of points. I'm not trying to win an argument by using an irrelevant SPAG comment - the SPAG comment is the "argument".

Also I don't see how "The debater's point is understood the same regardless of its language framing" can possibly be universally true. What if they mix up "imply" and "infer", for instance? And probably countless other examples where using language incorrectly completely changes the meaning. (I concede this isn't the case if you write "eachother" instead of "each other".)

People (on MN) seem determined to assert that there's no such thing as "correct" use of language, but the same people wouldn't dream of saying "they does" or "I was go to the shops" (just to pick totally random examples).

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TheRakesTale · 25/07/2024 09:50

niadainud · 25/07/2024 07:54

My processing is fine, thank you. Yes, I know we can still work out what is meant relative easily, but I think it's disingenuous to suggest that SPAG errors make no difference at all to comprehension. I certainly find they do when I'm reading a foreign language which I'm proficient at but not fluent.

You get scalped for pointing out SPaG stuff. People will scream what about dyslexia/poor reading/2nd language, etc.
Flogging a dead horse, I'm afraid. You will never win on aibu, and in pedant's corner, you are preaching to the converted.
Just silently judge!

niadainud · 25/07/2024 09:53

TinkerTiger · 25/07/2024 09:31

If, for example, I hadn't realised it's "toe the line", not "toe the line", and then I read something correcting that misapprehension I would then start spelling it correctly.

But don't you realise that if people have made it all the way through school where they've had constant correction and teaching and still get it wrong, then it must be an underlying issue that it is nonsensical to get worked up about?

I agree it's not worth getting worked up about in the scheme of things, of course. But I disagree that there's necessarily an underlying issue causing all SPAG errors, even where they persist after leaving education.

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