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Greater Manchester Police brutality

981 replies

Gummybear23 · 24/07/2024 22:22

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

Manchester airport: officer removed from frontline duty after arrest video goes viral

Armed police officer seen kicking suspect in footage Greater Manchester police called ‘truly shocking’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

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EsmaCannonball · 25/07/2024 21:55

Also, call me old-fashioned, but I do think it is worse if a male suspect punches a female police officer. It's much less of a fair fight and she is much more likely to be badly hurt. One wonders what these men were up to to react in such an extreme way.

I reiterate, I do not think it was ok to kick and stamp on the one suspect's head.

Elle7 · 25/07/2024 21:56

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 21:54

There was no hierarchy to the points.

I guess you agree that it's ok for the police to beat people up.

The 70s called.

You don’t need to guess, I stated I was reserving judgment!

I’m a 70’s generation X so maybe they did call! Wow!

user1492729177 · 25/07/2024 22:01

Oh for goodness sake they broke a colleagues nose by kicking, what would you do, stand by and tell them they were naughty? Get a grip. We need to protect our police or we won’t have any and we will live in a lawless society. If you feel so strongly about it, join up and take the absolute shit that they do. If not, shut up.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 25/07/2024 22:11

The behaviour from the police was not on. They are trained to behave better, as they themselves commented. So shut up yourself @user1492729177 .

Gogogo12345 · 25/07/2024 22:12

Shoyden · 25/07/2024 21:25

When the CCTV footage is shown (if ever) people will change their tunes.

It's still irrelevant.at the time the man was kicked and stamp he was on the floor.
Whatever he did before needs to be dealt with by the courts

pinkstripeycat · 25/07/2024 22:14

Temphelp · 24/07/2024 22:53

There is another video showing when the violence - yes, violence - began and the police 100% started. They sprayed a man in the face whilst he was recording them and the men all had their hands up, no one was raising a finger at the police. The elderly woman was also hit in the face by police.

It is sickening.

You have no idea what has already happened. DH is a police officer and over the years members of the public scream and shout shrike the police are arresting someone not realising that around the corner the person being arrested had mugged an old lady or similar.

These people are often known to the police and the police react knowing exactly what that person is capable of.

IClaudine · 25/07/2024 22:15

user1492729177 · 25/07/2024 22:01

Oh for goodness sake they broke a colleagues nose by kicking, what would you do, stand by and tell them they were naughty? Get a grip. We need to protect our police or we won’t have any and we will live in a lawless society. If you feel so strongly about it, join up and take the absolute shit that they do. If not, shut up.

The police officer acted illegally, whether you like it or not. All that has been achieved is that the reputation of the police has been dragged into the mud yet again. That is not good for any of us.

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 22:15

It looks like the same officer then used what seems like excess force on the person who was sat on the chair at the back with his hands behind his back to get him on the floor.

There also seems to be a video of other police challenging some other people later who had witnessed it.

FishersGate · 25/07/2024 22:16

Laurahenry · 25/07/2024 21:45

Exactly , judging the situation from a short, clearly edited clip. They were violent to Police, broke a nose were spitting pulling hairs etc but none of that shown. I'm glad the police are finally having a backbone against these violent people

Sensible comments at last. Society wants a more robust police force and less reactive more proactive then can't handle it when it happens..

Funny how no MP so far is seriously condemning the police because they have seen the whole footage and preceeding footage. Volient aggressive groups of men in an airport setting will be dealt with as appropriate especially by armed airport police.

pinkstripeycat · 25/07/2024 22:16

ItsMeNotTheProblem · 25/07/2024 08:52

Get yourself to fuck.

I absolutely will judge a police officer kicking a man in the prone position in the head.

Police officers behaving like this deserve to be hated, as do those who blindly support them.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Most of these people are known to the police and you have no idea of what has happened already. You are just looking at a short video clip

IClaudine · 25/07/2024 22:19

pinkstripeycat · 25/07/2024 22:16

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Most of these people are known to the police and you have no idea of what has happened already. You are just looking at a short video clip

How do you know most of the people involved were already known to police?

JMSA · 25/07/2024 22:26

The police behaviour was unacceptable. However the only person I'll muster up sympathy for is the female officer.

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 22:31

He's clearly lying on the floor with his hands by his side.
There is another man on the chair with his hands behind his head.
There are 2 police with tasers pointing at him.
His mum is on the floor next to him.

You can then see one of the police officers clearly kick him in the head. His head comes up of the floor and then the police officer stamps on it.

How did he end up lying on the floor with his arms by his side?
Why has the other person got his arms behind his head?

Those seem to be to be people who - regardless of what happened before - are in a state of co-operation with armed police.

And I can't see how it's ok for people who seem to be co-operating with the police - even though there has been violence and an assault on an officer before - to be attacked in that way.

greencrab · 25/07/2024 22:49

There are more and longer clips on twitter.

In one of these the police officer comes back to someone who is filming but I'm not sure if a true bystander or knew men arrested. He grabs this man and starts putting his hands in and going through the man's pockets saying something about a phone. No caution that he was searching this man and not searching in a calm cautious manner (not asking "do you have anything on your person that may harm you or me" or patting down just hands straight in the man's pockets. Then when he presumably doesn't find anything he walks off.

It is also worrying that the men were kept in custody without any medical assessment for head injuries which several police officer saw occur.

ItsMeNotTheProblem · 25/07/2024 22:49

pinkstripeycat · 25/07/2024 22:16

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Most of these people are known to the police and you have no idea of what has happened already. You are just looking at a short video clip

And you can get yourself to fuck too.

All uses of force must be reasonable and proportionate. Being known to the police does not make a use of force either or both of those things.

Your lack of critical thinking re authority is a bit worrying tbh.

Livelovebehappy · 25/07/2024 23:17

ItsMeNotTheProblem · 25/07/2024 22:49

And you can get yourself to fuck too.

All uses of force must be reasonable and proportionate. Being known to the police does not make a use of force either or both of those things.

Your lack of critical thinking re authority is a bit worrying tbh.

Behave. People who behave like a pack of animals breaking a police woman’s nose, and attacking and injuring two others, deserve to be treated like a pack of animals. Too many think police are there to abuse, because people like you want them to just sit back and allow it. Thank God that the majority of people are behind our police.

ItsMeNotTheProblem · 25/07/2024 23:33

Livelovebehappy · 25/07/2024 23:17

Behave. People who behave like a pack of animals breaking a police woman’s nose, and attacking and injuring two others, deserve to be treated like a pack of animals. Too many think police are there to abuse, because people like you want them to just sit back and allow it. Thank God that the majority of people are behind our police.

Imagine the law agreed with you. Chaos would ensue.

Thank god it doesn’t.

FairisleFairy · 25/07/2024 23:40

when I first watched the footage it initially appeared as though the officer had stamped on his head. On watching it again I’ve realised that
HE DOES NOT STAMP HIS HEAD,
he stamps the floor next to it.
Not saying that makes a kick to the head okay, but it’s not as severe as I thought it was.

OneTC · 25/07/2024 23:42

FairisleFairy · 25/07/2024 23:40

when I first watched the footage it initially appeared as though the officer had stamped on his head. On watching it again I’ve realised that
HE DOES NOT STAMP HIS HEAD,
he stamps the floor next to it.
Not saying that makes a kick to the head okay, but it’s not as severe as I thought it was.

No it just slides off

Bex5490 · 25/07/2024 23:55

You don’t have to feel sorry for the man on the floor to know that the policeman shouldn’t have kicked him.

If you say ‘okay, he’s a bad guy so police violence against HIM is justified…’ then where do you draw the line?

Should police therefore be allowed to injure people who steal? Or drug addicts? Or protestors that you don’t agree with?

Justifying police violence puts all of the public at risk. We have a legal system for a reason.

Vineman · 25/07/2024 23:57

cakeorwine · 25/07/2024 14:47

You've seen police kick peoples heads in on the ground at football game?

I've seen this many times but never in this country. France, Italy, Germany and, Spain I used to travel all over Europe to watch my team for a decade (before family) and policing in every Country is so heavy handed and still is. I have seen people battoned to the head, and I too have received blows just for being English and being in the crowd. When there is a crowd they will wield their buttons at anyone, including women and young teenagers!

If you were to assault a police officer in these countries I wouldn't like to imagine at how they'd treat you. You just don't do it. They get heavy handed to intimidate and stop anything happening before anything actually has! Our policing at football is polite and in stark contrast to nearly every other European Country I've been to and witnessed.

In this case, I have no sympathy for the guys if what they've alleged to have done is true(ie, assault female officers).

And although I don't agree with the female assault crime committed I do think the officer has over-stepped the mark. Particularly, the knee to the head after the kick. That was a head-gone moment. In this moment he was not acting as a professional.

I do however, believe that people should take into account at how hard it is to police and manage these situations. They were required to use physical force to gain control and, it is true that split second decisions need to be made. The officer in this particular scenario made the wrong decision.

If I was to assault not one but 3 female officers in an airport I don't think I could have any arguments as to the level of force I might receive in retaliation to that! I'm sure in some Countries I wouldn't live to tell the tale!

AnnieSnap · 26/07/2024 00:01

PointsSouth · 25/07/2024 18:29

I come from a family of coppers. We've had one or two family members in the job since the sixties.

None of them think that this is permissible, justifiable or excusable, whatever preceded the clip.

That’s reassuring. The ‘bad apples’ trop has been well and truly debunked. There is such an entrenched culture of misogyny, racism and thuggery in various departments of the Police all over the country that it’s good to hear of some who have decent values.

MeouwCat · 26/07/2024 00:08

Good old fashion clip round the ear type policing.

AnnieSnap · 26/07/2024 00:11

Bex5490 · 25/07/2024 23:55

You don’t have to feel sorry for the man on the floor to know that the policeman shouldn’t have kicked him.

If you say ‘okay, he’s a bad guy so police violence against HIM is justified…’ then where do you draw the line?

Should police therefore be allowed to injure people who steal? Or drug addicts? Or protestors that you don’t agree with?

Justifying police violence puts all of the public at risk. We have a legal system for a reason.

Or a mentally ill person not entirely responsible for their actions, or a homeless, skint person stealing a bottle of water, or a person protesting legally, but being a bit of a nuisance . . . . .
Sone people here will never question these things until they themselves, or a loved one is on the receiving end.

WowReallysh · 26/07/2024 00:18

Bex5490 · 25/07/2024 23:55

You don’t have to feel sorry for the man on the floor to know that the policeman shouldn’t have kicked him.

If you say ‘okay, he’s a bad guy so police violence against HIM is justified…’ then where do you draw the line?

Should police therefore be allowed to injure people who steal? Or drug addicts? Or protestors that you don’t agree with?

Justifying police violence puts all of the public at risk. We have a legal system for a reason.

I wouldn't mind seeing thieves and criminals bashed up a bit. I'd draw the line at mentally ill because these people do not have the ability to control their actions.

Even if you're poor, doesn't give you the right to steal stuff that isn't yours.

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