Greater Manchester Police brutality

[Gummybear23]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

back yards and all that…eh @rosiers

@MyGladEagle I don't think we are talking about the same incident.

There is nothing to suggest that anyone tried to take an officers gun to shoot someone.

The kick was not given to someone whilst they were violently out of control. They were literally incapacitated while being tased on the floor.

I'm not an expert in disabling violent criminals. I'm a lawyer. Should those men be convicted (I hope they are) then the court will look to mitigating factors and aggravating factors in determining an appropriate sentence.

Ah I've got it now, we need to better educate lawyers in this Country.

How do you know that the violent criminal wasn't going to take the officers gun and shoot people, what was his state of mind at the time?

He was obviously not being reasonable or compliant & I expect he's delivered far worse brutality on other people. Personally, he got what he deserved - the Police have a hard enough job anyway without edited 'highlights' skewing what was most likely a very difficult situation for them. I don't have sympathy for thuggish criminals.

They were literally incapacitated while being tased on the floor

Tasers do not incapacitate people for more than a couple of seconds. By the time the man hit the floor he would have been ready to get back up again with no ill effects whatsoever. He starts to move in the video, you can see his head moving.

You beat me to it….edited to add, again, fucking hell.

@MyGladEagle "we need to better educate lawyers in this country"

What makes you say that? Anyone that doesn't view things in the same way that you do is less educated than you?

"How do you know that the violent criminal wasn't going to take the officers gun and shoot people"

I can't know that, but there's no evidence to suggest it, so I don't hold any value to that speculation. How do you know he wasn't about to get up and make a heartfelt apology and hand himself over peacefully? Ridiculous to hypothesise isn't it.

Let just be thankful we have cctv or else the PC would probably have been sacked and had to go into hiding for the rest of his life.

Honestly what is happening that thugs seem to get the immediate support and sympathy of vocal supporters but the police are always condemned. I hope brain cyst man (sorry I don't know his name) gets a custodial sentence but no doubt he'll end up quids in appearing on Jeremy Vine while everyone pats his head and tells him what a nice young man he is and a credit to his violent community.

Yes, for 5 seconds. He was then tased again (reasonable) which is when he is kicked in the head (unreasonable). But we will all have different opinions on what is reasonable and what isn't.

The burden of proof is on you to show that the officers force was not appropriate since you're the one claiming he is guilty of something.

You're unable to establish that this wasn't a situation where many peoples lives were immediately at threat. Had the officer not had a gun, then you would be able to do that.

Are you able to establish that the violent criminal was incapacitated when they were on the floor?

Simply not true. They incapacitate for up to 30 seconds, and of course the point is that that is ample time to ensure that the person concerned is safely restrained. At the time when this man was kicked in the head he posed no threat to anyone.

How are you able to establish he was incapacitated for 5 seconds?

"Protesting outside Rochdale police station"
How very fitting 😉

I'm sorry to labour this point but we have just had another derisive reference to this man's "community". I genuinely do not believe that had these perpetrators been white Christian men, so many people would be concerned with their "community". There are obvious undertones of either conscious or unconscious Islamophobia and racism.

While we're speculating on the outcomes of identites, had they been white christian men the whole video would have been shown and nobody including you would be claiming unreasonable force was used.

He was lying face down on the floor. The officers had every opportunity to handcuff him. He was not posing any threat at that point.

Again, so what. In the context of the violent attack the police had suffered I believe he can be forgiven for lashing out briefly. I doubt he himself would say it was a great response.

For the violent thugs to then go on TV with their sad faces is absolutely laughable. I want police to treat people like them with the contempt they deserve tbh.

The officers should be trained to deesulate a situation and take control.

Do you honestly think these people haven’t been trained?!

maybe, just maybe, some of their training involves using “shock and awe” violence to destabilise and subdue someone who has broken appendages on police officer’s faces already and could at some point try and reach for their weapon or mortally injure the officer.

so with all that in mind @Gummybear23 how would you propose doing this “deescalation” when you’re outnumbered? Please walk me through it step by step.

Not get angry and kick someone in the head.

Again, WHO is saying he is angry? If the policeman is punched, and returns a punch because he is fighting for his life, does that second punch automatically get attributed to “anger”? What is a policeman allowed to do when the perpetrator makes it a straight up street fight?!

They lads lashed out and needed to be tasered.

“Lashed out” makes it sound like they got a bit tipsy and mistakenly scrapped. These guys don’t drink. They did what they did sober, premeditated, and I would posit that they wanted to attack police in retaliation for how their relative was treated on the plane.

as for “tasered” how many times must I say it.. a taser is not a magic bullet. It doesn’t stun or render the attacker unconscious. the thing about UK policing is that it’s not like the US where a bullet from a distance can stop a perpetrator. Our police have to get up close and dirty, risk flailing limbs, knives, strangulation, anything. In those situations a Taser helps quicken the subduing process. It is not the whole process!

There are people with mental health issues to attack police officers in a very aggressive way.

Please don’t do this @Gummybear23 . You know absolutely NOTHING of their mental health. Don’t blame it on something abstract just because you can’t conscience or imagine that a person could be badly behaved enough to attack an officer. People do it in cold blood because they are criminal.

As for the last sentence, I despair. No one on this forum wants a perpetrator to be beaten to death. Just as the policewoman didn’t leave the house wanting her nose broken, yeah?

What's your precedent for establishing non-zero threat at this point? Do you have an expert in taser effectiveness or a conclusive reference to back this up?

I am a bit torn
I have no sympathy for the man who was kicked in the head by The Officer, they were a family of arseholes and I have come across their type before.
However, The Officer lost his temper by the looks of it and we can't have armed Police Officers who can't control their temper properly. I would probably have done the same as The Officer but unfortunately while they are human they just can't react like that

@rosiers if they were white Christian men then there wouldn't even be a thread about it. No one would give a shit. They'd be no protest. The world would just carry on. There also wouldn't have been a video posted immediately afterwards on social media where everyone jumped on the backwagon.
So fuck off with your Islamaphobia nonsense.

@MyGladEagle you've lost me now. When considering whether or not force is reasonable, the race or religion of the person on the receiving end should not factor in at all. My view would not change if you changed the race or religion of any of the people involved.

Are you seriously suggesting that it was OK to kick him in the head because one of a number of possible actions he might have taken was to take a gun and shoot someone? Even though he could easily have been prevented from doing anything of the sort by being restrained and handcuffed? On that basis, it's OK for the police to carry out violent attacks on anyone peacefully going about their business, because they don't know that those people don't intend to steal their guns and shoot people. Is that the sort of police force you want?

How do you excuse the subsequent attack on the man sitting on a seat behind them with his arms up in a surrender gesture? The same officer tells him to lie on the ground, as he is complying the officer kicks him in the leg, then when he's on the ground he hits him on the head with his taser gun. Was that attack also OK with you?

@FineFettler thing is this all happened in a matter of seconds. To get close enough to cuff him was risky given the extreme violence and disrespect for authority that had already been seen.

You weren't talking to me but yes all of the actions of the police are completely fine with me. If more force had have been used then also fine.
Fine, fine, fine all day long.