Greater Manchester Police brutality

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/24/armed-police-officer-filmed-kicking-man-in-face-at-manchester-airport

Sickening behaviour. Surely tasering the man is enough.
He is on the floor tasered so you give him some kickings to the head?

Hope this is properly investigated.
Greater Manchester Police have an awful reputation.

I've somewhat changed my mind, it all happened quite quickly and following the brutal attack on police so I can see how in the moment he may have not felt the attacker was truly incapacitated. However, the use of force by stamping on his head was disproportionate in my mind. Having said that, I wasn't there, the colleagues had been attacked, they were concerned about firearms and I've never been in that situation.

This. Have the lowlife scum been arrested yet or are they still supposedly traumatised by the unprovoked attack on them?

Are you serious?

Lookup all the times that tasers fail to incapacitate, or initially work and the. Stop working because the electrode has been dislodged.
Anyone officer trainer in use of firearms and less lethal devices like tasers and trained to not expect a taser to keep someone incapacitated. It's a bonus if they work, only a fool would trust them to keep you and others safe.

The tide is turning now that the full video has been published. In many other countries behaviour like that at an airport would result in the perpetrators being shot dead.
I know where my sympathies lie and it's not with those who attacked the police offers and broke a woman's nose. In some cultures however, that would be perfectly acceptable behaviour

The title of this thread needs amending in light of the evidence of the full video of the attack.
Also, the result of the poll would be different if the whole video had been available at the time of the voting.
Just shows the danger of trial by social media.

@MauveCrow yes I am serious. What about that footage leads you to believe the perpetrator isn't incapacitated? His whole body is contracted and he appears to be unable to make voluntary movements.

Whilst I can accept that tasers aren't foolproof and don't always work, it seems to be doing a pretty good job on this occasion!

There should be some form of legal sanction for sharing videos/information out of context. This nearly caused a riot.

They say freedom of speech does not include shouting fire in a crowded theatre. This seems to be the social media equivalent. If it has the potential to cause a riot perhaps social media platforms should establish the full facts before allowing it on the platform (or take it down quickly) unless they are willing to pay for the cost of the damage caused at a protest/riot?

Totally irresponsible.

In light of the new footage, has your view changed?

I'd give that police officer a bloody medal.

How he got up again after the number of punches he received is remarkable. You don't see it fully until you watch the version a previous poster linked to broken down to left and right side.

Similarly the hand under the blue jumper body where in that split second he couldn't know if he'd got hold of the firearm as he grabbed at his side before being put to the ground.

It's easy to analyse after the fact but in that moment when your two colleagues are out of action (one did get up and support him but again, difficult to know this with your back to them) it requires immediate action.

Personally I'd feel safer going through an airport knowing this officer is on duty.

And I won't take the 'oh but you wouldn't be targeted '. These men were hardly innocent bystanders. They reacted with violence immediately.

Absolutely no evidence the cyst was caused by the kick.

Has anyone on here ever been punched repeatedly around the head?

if you have, then you’ll know that as well as the physical pain you feel, your judgement in the following seconds and minutes will be impaired. Your vision will be blurred and water will be streaming through your eyes. Your ears will be ringing, making it difficult to hear what’s going on around you or follow any instructions being shouted out.

you may well suffer a momentarily memory loss - it can easily take several seconds to reassess your situation. In this case, the officer didn't know if his colleagues were ok or injured, or if he was the last cop standing, and he didn't know it was the head he was kicking out at - maybe he thought it was a hand holding a weapon?

Only the officer in question will truly know what his honestly held opinion was in that moment. But for me, I think that overall he did a superb job. For all he knew it could have been another Glasgow airport incident in the making.

If you look at the whole picture, the officers aren’t only dealing with two violent thugs but they are surrounded by passengers, possibly other family members, one who also gets quite close to the officer who had fallen to the ground.

I don’t understand why the whole footage wasn’t shown in its entirety in the first instance. It would have been widely available to all journalists!

I’m sure the violent thugs lawyer, Akhmed Yakoob (seems a thoroughly decent chap) is representing them for all of the right reasons. Read up about him, in fact there is still an ongoing investigation from the Solicitor’s regulatory authority due to his ‘false race allegations’ against a young teacher, who has had her life ripped apart. Yes, thoroughly lovely man!

I assume that armed police wear body cameras & in due course this will be reviewed, alongside witness statements & CCTV footage, in the independent enquiry.

Bystanders recording matters are in the way of proceedings & although ‘acting as a witness’ seems fair, it may make matters worse. Had on of the assailants succeeded in getting control of one of the police weapons, anyone within range of a shot would be at risk of death.

It takes time, effort & attention to detail to gather evidence to know the course of events.

Knee jerk community reactions & concerns about GMP veering into mob rule, keyboard experts, handheld footage & performative ‘politicised’ lawyers are whipping up the flames of dissent.

Have people noticed that the person who was kicked in the head after being tasered is still not restrained with handcuffs?

You can see the officer who kicked him in the head go over to the other person - who has his hands behind his head and force him to the ground - whilst the other person - the one who was fighting the police officer is now moving.

I suppose it could be argued that he kicked him in the head to knock him out after he had been tasered - but he still wasn't restrained with handcuffs - and he then went to forcibly get the other person to the ground - to get control of the situation.

and he didn't know it was the head he was kicking out at - maybe he thought it was a hand holding a weapon?

That's just as bad and far fetched as the posters trying to explain away and excuse the two suspects beating up the police.

Anyone reading the Facebook newsfeeds which are posting about it literally every 5 minutes, the comments show a huge groundswell of support for the police officers, especially on the Manchester Evening news site.
That says a lot imho

You make that determination sat browsing mumsnet at your leisure, not after being attacked from behind while someone might be trying to steal your weapon and has injured your colleague, while not knowing if they are armed, have explosives, or are motivated by terrorism at a major airport.

Twitter too

I didn’t have to see the newly released footage to know this would up been the run up to the officers response. Yes, kicking someone in the head is disproportionate but considering the way the public behave these days, I can’t really criticise the police on this one.

The UK is out of control, so tougher responses are needed. Should look to countries like Thailand, amazing if you behave yourself, if you don’t, proper sanctions. Come at me on that if you want, I’d rather have a society that has criminals and violent thugs too scared to break the law, than have these types on the loose, protected by corrupt lawyers thanks very much.

Cysts are usually congenital so can hardly blame the officer for that. Stop protecting and pandering to people who are intent on destroying a peaceful existence. Deport anyone who comes here to cause trouble and make demands for things they haven’t contributed to. It’s a drag on those who do. And no I’m not a Tory voter either, I’m just tired of bad behaviour being condoned and excused.

I am not going to make judgement based on 10 seconds clip when the man on the floor is responsible for assaulting emergency workers, resulting in a woman officer with broken nose and several others injured. A part of me says he deserves it when he assulted a woman's face himself, he should learn how it feels.

while not knowing if they are armed, have explosives, or are motivated by terrorism at a major airport.

If you have those fears and concerns then that's not how you approach the suspect(s).

this wouldn’t have happened if these people were not violent or tried to attack armed police in an airport. So I support the police. Imagine you were standing next to this with your small children, would you still be saying oh dear poor violent thug, I hope the officer isn’t hurting him whilst he’s preventing him from stealing his weapon to do god knows what with. Please.

@ArseholeCatIsABlackAndWhiteCat then what’s the approach

Agree and the person responsible for making and posting this video very conveniently missed making video of attack on police because chances of police violence going viral were higher given anti-police sentiment.

I don’t understand why the whole footage wasn’t shown in its entirety in the first instance. It would have been widely available to all journalists!

because that wouldn’t have suited the narrative of “racist thug police kick poor helpless Asian “ and getting the community all stirred up