Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

[SouthernFashionista]

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

In the article it says the inquest is ongoing. Does that mean the person could still end up being investigated again?

Way to dodge the question.

I knew relatively little about islam muslim culture until my db married his wife and to be completely frank didnt think much about it before then. my views are mostly informed by them. They are progressive moderate and well educated and given my sils parents have 5 daughters 4 of whom wont consider marriage Its a hot topic.

I get the vibe you arent interested in a good faith discussion or in the injustice enacted upon this child and i dont want to derail this thread further.

If nothing else we should all be able to agree it's deeply saddening that there is no justice for Falaq

I have not read the whole thread, but many people seem to be missing the mention of complex medical evidence that has yet to be heard by the inquest. That suggests the CPS may be unable to prove that the girl's death was caused by the punch. If her death was unrelated to the punch, her brother did not kill her despite his text saying that he had.

Disgusting the family protecting him!

I’m not sure if the coroner can order that but they can return a verdict of unlawful killing.
The DPP can get the CPS to reopen the case.

Frankly, even if the medical evidence is complex, the punching either directly caused her death, exasperated a pre-existing condition, which caused her death - or if she was already screaming because she was experiencing medical issues, he punched a dying little girl unconscious when she was having a medical emergency. He should be prosecuted and needs to be removed from contact with other children.

Sounds like CPS knew he'd likely get off due to the questionable 'underlying medical condition' element of the autopsy report.

It must be so hard making that decision. CPS workers are no different to the rest of us - their immediate response must be to want the bastard punished, but they can only go by what they have and if it looks highly likely that the perp will be found not guilty then their guidelines are to not 'waste' potentially hundreds of thousands in tax payer money pushing on to court.

It's absolutely heart breaking on so many counts.

Agreed, he shouldn't be allowed to be in the same home as the other kids.

What I don't understand is the police saying parents wouldn't allow the other children to give evidence. From a quick Google:

'If parental consent is not forthcoming consideration may be given to obtaining
an Emergency Protection Order that includes a direction in respect of
interviewing under Section 44 Children Act 1989 provided that circumstances are such that the child may be at risk of ‘significant harm’.'

No they are not.

Take your Islamophobia elsewhere.

Judging a religion by the actions of one man!

When a girl is born she opens a door to Heaven for her father.
When she marries she completes half her husbands religion.
When she becomes a mother heaven lies at her feet.

That is the status of females in Islam

That's the important bit is it? 🙄

Or the punch did not cause her death, did not exacerbate a pre-existing condition and she was not experiencing medical issues when punched. It may be that the punch was entirely unrelated to her death. Until the medical evidence is available, we simply don't know. The police think there is enough evidence for a manslaughter charge, but the CPS think that isn't sustainable because of the medical evidence.

He could still be charged with assault on the basis of the punch. However, unless there is clear evidence that he punched her, even that is unlikely to be sustainable. The fact the family is not co-operating may prevent the police getting enough evidence.

What about a confession in his own words? That should be enough surely. If not then Lucy Letby's case needs reviewing as a matter of urgency.

This is horrific

Nonsense and you know it. Empty words.

It’s not Islamophobia to say this is two tier policing. OP is accusing the police of being unjustly favourable due to cultural fears. It’s the complete opposite.

No, OP didn't make the accusation. It was other posters hijacking the thread with their own agenda.

Absolutely heartbreaking.
Zero justice for that child.
How can the police ignore those texts.

The child’s death should be investigated including intervention to interview the children who were witnesses without religion/colour being a factor.

Anyone aiding and abetting should be prosecuted.

No ifs no buts.

If the authorities fail in their duty then it’s on them.

This is true. Apologies I meant PP not OP.

The agenda that everyone is treated equally. Outrageous.

Sure it is prejudice when the religion allows for wife beating, does not recognise marital rape and the most religious muslim countries - Iran, Afghanistan- are infamous for treating women like chatttel goods?

Posters who use this death to fight the imaginary monster of islamophobia are as bad as posters who use this beat up all muslims. Can we agree on that and shift the focus back to the CPS which seems to be the one at fault here for not prosecuting the perp?

A text message is not automatically admissible as evidence. Even if admitted, he could deny sending the messages. It would then be up to the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he sent the messages, rather than someone with access to his phone. Even if it is accepted he sent the messages, it is relatively easy for the defence to throw doubt on them as a true admission of guilt. It is nowhere near as good as a confession in a statement made under caution.

If he was convicted of assaulting his sister, he would almost certainly get a community order in the circumstances described.

Whilst Letby's text messages were put into evidence against her, they did not include a confession.

Since some people are bringing religion into this, I would point out that, on the information we have, there is no reason to believe it had any bearing on the CPS decision. If they cannot prove that the punch caused the girl's death, they would not prosecute regardless of the religion, race, age or sex of the alleged perpetrator.