Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

[SouthernFashionista]

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

No I was being sarcastic as was the poster I was quoting, I know nothing, all I know is this case is so sad and there is a dead little girl, which breaks my heart, but i'm just a sentimental old simpleton so what I think is irrelevant.

I'm so sorry you went through that and I hope you are doing well now 💐

@PurpleBugz - I'm sorry you went through this x

I think the coroner made her views known with her verdict and comments.
I’m a former journalist who then worked as a police press officer and I find it hard to understand why this tragic case hasn’t been more widely reported. It wasn’t on the ITV news and it’s not on the BBC website.
There have been criticism of the Daily Mail reporting but the brother was undoubtedly smirking in the photo, and from what I read the reporting was a factual account of the inquest.
I still feel very strongly there should have been a prosecution.

In that situation you are clearly guilty of some form of assault but you are not guilty of murder. If you want to convict someone of murder or manslaughter, you have to prove that they killed the victim. That isn't my logic. That is the law.

If you assault someone and they die of their injuries, you are clearly guilty of murder or, at the very least, manslaughter. If you assault someone and they die of some other cause that may or may not have been caused by your assault, you are not guilty.

My apologies. I got somewhat annoyed with that newspaper when its headline clearly misrepresented the evidence. But you are right. I shouldn't have brought them up again. And no, @DoreenonTill8, I do not think I am morally superior, and I have never called anyone an ignorant shit.

It breaks my heart too. Regardless of whether her brother's actions caused her death, there is a dead girl and that is heartbreaking. Personally, I wish the medical evidence was conclusive one way or the other. If the doctors could say definitively that the punch did cause her death, we could all agree that the brother should be on trial. If they could say definitively that the punch did not cause her death, we would be in a somewhat different place, although there would still be the question of child cruelty.

Well this case appears 'cut and dried' as they say, in terms of someone (not) being accountable.
Rest in peace Falaq, I'm sorry you didn't have anyone to protect you. Such a heartbreaking case. As a society, let's do better for our girls and teach them we are not second class citizens.

Yes, it’s very sus that the bbc did not report this. It’s also very funny they didn’t report the fact that 4 mosques were closed down in Germany last week plus the 50 addresses that were raided by police at the same time. I wonder why that was

The (100%!) certainty with which you deliver your assessments and the way you deliberately misunderstand posters' points (that even a child cruelty charge is better than nothing since a manslaughter charge may be hard to prove in the wake of unclear medical evidence and community intransigence) and insult them for being so easily riled by DM reporting is the reason why you come across poorly. Trials are tricky things. Some iron clad cases fail and others get convicted on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. The cost of a trial and the lack of prison cells should not be the most important calculus when a child dies so prematurely in such conditions.

She ended up in hospital with trauma - all 3 medical opinions at the inquest use that word. Would there be trauma without the punch to the head? I do think that the inconclusive medical evidence is allowing authorities already reluctant to prosecute an easy way out. The police testimony was that a manslaughter charge was appropriate.

And it is a case with huge public/legal interest but the radio silence from legacy press speaks its own story.

This is it though @prh47bridge
Leaving aside the question of Cause of Death, they absolutely can prosecute him for assault or ABH. Why hasn't that happened?
They can't say there's no evidence when Police haven't even done their job gathering evidence - not speaking to the key witnesses! Bc their parents refused, I'm sorry but that is total BS. And not ensuring the other children's safety.
Also they can go on about "reasonable doubt" but give me a break - a child becomes extremely unwell and collapses right after being punched in the head, then dies. And there are texts sent from the perp himself, of course that's bloody evidence.

☝🏻 This. Thank you @mirax

Irrespective of whether he caused her death, he punched an 11yo with his adult full force. He should be done. End of. I am sick of male on female violence going unpunished.

I’ve just looked at the DM article with this man grinning outside court, smoking in a fucking tracksuit, and strolling along with the poor child’s mother. They look like they’re out for a trip to the shops. That poor girl, and really the younger siblings now, are just in service to that disgusting golden son. No wonder they were screaming in a bathroom, can only imagine the normalised abuse and violence that made up that girl’s life. Poor baby, and poor all the other children growing up in this way, abuse being normality.

It's disgusting that the BBC hasn't reported on this. There's protests from Muslims in certain areas calling out a police man who kicked a violent man who put several police officers in hospital. Radio silence for this little Muslim girl who was beaten to death by her brother.

I had the same conversation with my dm
I did not realise the guy they are protesting about actually hospitalised multiple people.

Disgraceful they want to protest about that but give zero fucks about this.

The political horseshoe is in full effect when the Dailymail looking like the good guy

Totally agree that it’s very telling that it’s only the DM reporting on this. It’s a bloody disgrace actually. And then we have a certain posters admonishing us for believing what we read there 🙄 and trying to patronise us with her ‘logic’
I won’t forget this little girl. I hope her brother never knows a day’s peace and that justice will one day be served.

Girls just aren’t as important in that culture 🤷‍♀️ At least to the father anyway otherwise he would let the other kids be interviewed rather than saving his son’s skin.

I may have misunderstood a poster's points, but I have never misunderstood them deliberately. I have said on a few occasions that, if the evidence is there, he should be charged with child cruelty, but some posters attacked me for that. I have not sought to insult anyone. My apologies if you think I have.

As the victim was a child, the offence would be child cruelty which is treated as a more serious offence than the adult equivalents you mention.

I have said several times that the texts are potentially evidence (although in some circumstances the courts will exclude text messages) but, on their own, they are not enough and at the moment that appears to be the only evidence the authorities have. This feels to me like a case where the police thought they'd got enough for a manslaughter charge and stopped investigating instead of carrying on and making sure they could charge him with something else if the medical evidence didn't support manslaughter. That is not good enough. If his text messages accurately describe what he did, he should be facing a charge.

Your pp mentioned could have and likely from coroner

I don’t get how someone who likely has caused a death can walk away without trial

Can you say more on why this doesn’t meet a bar for justice as knowing he likely killed her and this outcome is bizarre to me

In order to convict for manslaughter, or any other criminal offence, a jury needs to be so sure they are certain that the offence is made out.

Likley is not enough. While that seems hard here it's one of the 'golden threads' in our justice system that mitigates against the abuse of power.

Whether, the Coroner having found, but on balance of probability not certainty, that the girl was unlawfully killed leads to a further review of prospective criminal charges remains to be seen.

Right. A policeman kicks a violent man who has already severed injured others. Adult to adult, and some may argue, justified violence. But there is a woke outcry because the violent man is a Muslim, and heaven forbid we call out anyone not white or Christian for bad behaviour.

So another man cannot cannot physically attack a violent man. But a violent man can punch an 11 year old girl in the face and that’s just fine.

There is something deeply wrong with this world if this state of affairs is accepted.