Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

[SouthernFashionista]

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

Really? So you genuinely don't care about the evidence. You think we shouldn't bother with proof beyond reasonable doubt.

I'm sorry that the evidence isn't what you want it to be but, however much you and the Daily Mail think it should be different, the medical evidence clearly means that any attempt to prosecute him for manslaughter or murder would fail.

There was medical evidence. Crucially, the evidence was that, if she had done the things claimed, it caused the death of the babies. In this case, the medical evidence is that it is impossible to say beyond reasonable doubt that any blow struck by the brother caused or contributed to Falaq's death.

Yes, child cruelty is terrible and should be dealt with appropriately. Where have I said otherwise? I am not an apologist for the brother. Pointing out that the evidence would not support a prosecution for murder or manslaughter does not make me an apologist.

So why aren't they dealing with it then @prh47bridge ?

The evidence is shaky at best if you ask me, I still want to know why she was in the bathroom with her siblings, but we'll never know that because the family are too busy protecting him and not letting the siblings talk. I still think the most probable answer is that she was trying to get them away from him. The text message that he punched her was probably true too in my opinion. The medical evidence of her brain condition means that he will get away with it because nobody can prove otherwise. This case is heartbreaking no matter what.

Also the apologist comment was about the many of them out there, not directly about you.

The coroner said in her ruling on Friday: "Tragically, whilst not intending the punch to cause harm, this punch was likely to have been the cause of Falaq immediately becoming unwell and struggling to walk.
"I am satisfied that on balance this would have led to her being anxious, she was complaining of pain, indicating she felt like she was dying and had to be assisted downstairs. This anxiety and likely increase in her blood pressure would have been the cause of the rupture to her underlying unknown malformation in her brain.
"I therefore find on the balance of probabilities that Falaq was unlawfully killed."

Just because she had a pre-existing brain issue does not mean than his punch did not kill her. I wonder what has happened to taking your victim as you find him (or her).

This is all outrageous.

How is a punch not intended to cause harm?

if someone punched me, I’d call the police and have them charged. If someone punched my child, I’d call the police and have them charged.

A punch is ALWAYS intended to cause harm.

The coroner works to a different standard than the criminal courts - the balance of probabilities rather than proof beyond reasonable doubt. Even then, she only says the punch was likely to have been the cause. That is not enough for a criminal conviction.

I agree that, just because she had a pre-existing brain issue it does not necessarily mean that his punch didn't kill her. However, for a conviction we need proof that it did. Not just that it probably did.

I presume you are asking why they aren't dealing with child cruelty? I don't have any inside information but, based on what we've seen, it seems the only evidence of the punch is his text message to his girlfriend. That is a shaky basis on which to build a criminal case. However, if there is the evidence to give a reasonable prospect of a conviction for child cruelty, he should be prosecuted.

It beggar’s believe that anyone can not think that on the balance of probabilities that this little girl would be alive today if this man had not punched her in the head.

How is there not universal outrage that a man has punched a little girl in the head? A not one of her relatives is standing up for her.

Yes @prh47bridge that is exactly what I am asking, he punched her, why is he not being held accountable for that?

I agree with your last post 100% @VickyPollard25 !

Well @ChishiyaBat even though he punched her in the head, he admits that, and she died after this....he's surely not to blame!

Are you saying if he did punch her he is still not responsible for her death?

I thought there was a just one punch campaign recently

Yeah but... even though he admits he did it, that's no proof he did of course! 🫤

No he couldn't possibly be responsible for his behaviour, or his poor sister dropping dead, goodness me what was I thinking! Sorry I was being so silly!

I am saying that the medical evidence falls short of proving beyond reasonable doubt that any punch was responsible for her death. Of the four doctors who gave evidence, not one of them was willing go beyond saying that a punch could have caused death. They were all clear that Falaq's death could be unrelated to any punch. The coroner says the punch is likely to have been the cause. "Likely" is not enough for a criminal conviction.

He admitted it in a text message to his girlfriend. I doubt he would admit it if prosecuted. If he admitted it in a confession under caution, that would be proof. A text message is persuasive, but any judge will tell a jury that, on its own, it is not proof.

Could have and likely and no more to it?

This seems a terrible bar for justice

Likely is pretty strong. I mean maybe if it was unlikely I’d get it

This is awful he likely caused her death and that’s it?! Bizarre

Of course he is responsible for his behaviour. I don't think anyone has said otherwise. I certainly haven't. However, on the medical evidence it is not clear whether he is responsible for his sister's death. He may have been, but all four doctors who gave evidence to the inquest were clear that her death may have been unrelated to anything he did. Are you saying you know better than them?

@prh47bridge so by your logic and the CPS, I could hit someone purposely with an iron bar, they have a cardiac arrest, and die, and unless they can PROVE hitting them with the iron bar at that precise moment killed them, I'm absolved of all guilt, even though I admit I did it?

@prh47bridge - I have been following this thread, and you have made some pertinent points throughout and tried to give a balanced view, which most of us are grateful for (me included).But for the love of God, will you stop mentioning the Daily Mail! Some people on here have no experience of the Criminal justice system / coroners court and the DM comments come across as quite patronising.

I used to hide in the bathroom when my brother wanted to hit me. Only door in the house that locked. And you have to get in there fast and get the door shut and locked before he gets there or you have basically cornered yourself in a room with no other exit. I can visualise what these children went through. Horrific

I’m amazed that likely isn’t enough to proceed

I mean it’s pretty much saying he did it more than he didn’t and yet no trial. Just dropped

Criticising someone choice of news feed usually the Daily Mail is a boring sanctimonious lazy shot of those who think they are morally superior, and somehow think that by calling people ignorant shits will somehow win them over.

I haven’t read the DM on this but on the posts alone I still think it’s incredible to just get dropped

So sorry you went through that @PurpleBugz. It must be horrible to hear people defending that disgusting behaviour.