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Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

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SouthernFashionista · 23/07/2024 22:29

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

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EsmaCannonball · 24/07/2024 22:29

I'm reminded that the police sometimes refer to the CPS as Couldn't Prosecute Satan.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 00:08

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:20

@prh47bridge Do you think he should be charged with assault/gbh for punching her in the head?

If there is enough evidence to have a realistic prospect of conviction, yes, he should be charged with cruelty to a child. However, if the only evidence is his text message, that is unlikely to be enough to convict him.

Callmemel · 25/07/2024 01:54

HelenaWaiting · 24/07/2024 04:17

Yvette Cooper.

Is the Home Secretary, yes.

mommatoone · 25/07/2024 01:54

Lovely post of this scumbag on the DM today laughing outside coroners court. Not a fuckin care in the world.
Meanwhile, in the same town hundreds of men are protesting outside the police station about the treatment of an individual who broke a police officers nose today.
Where is the protest /outrage for this little girl?. Why arent people taking to the streets demanding answers? Nothing, absolutely nothing. This country is fucked.

TemuSpecialBuy · 25/07/2024 02:36

mommatoone · 25/07/2024 01:54

Lovely post of this scumbag on the DM today laughing outside coroners court. Not a fuckin care in the world.
Meanwhile, in the same town hundreds of men are protesting outside the police station about the treatment of an individual who broke a police officers nose today.
Where is the protest /outrage for this little girl?. Why arent people taking to the streets demanding answers? Nothing, absolutely nothing. This country is fucked.

Here is the 23 old “man” Suhail Mohammed, who is responsible for Falaq’s death, having a smile and a laugh outside Rochdale Coroners Court.

Words fail me.

Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it
mirax · 25/07/2024 03:17

Inlaw · 24/07/2024 14:31

Huh what’s that got to do with this?

He WAS charged and prosecuted (way too leniently IMO but that’s a systemic problem not a Dutch national problem).

And the decision for him to qualify for olympics is not a U.K. decision!

It seems it is irrelevant and wacist shitstirring to mentiona the grooming gangs when this is a case that originates from the same community and town (Rochdale) as the grooming gangs and speaks to a contempt for females but it is entirely alright to bring in a Dutch pedophile and "white" or christian culture. Special and not special at the same time. Diktat is a fitting name for someone who wants to dictate such rigid parameters of discussion and accuse others of agendas.

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 04:45

'bleat' on about grooming gangs.
'Bleat on'?! Seriously?! Oh is it annoying and boring to you when people mention the grooming gangs? Do you wish they'd stop and just forget about them?

DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 04:45

'bleat' on about grooming gangs.
'Bleat on'?! Seriously?! Oh is it annoying and boring to you when people mention the grooming gangs? Do you wish they'd stop and just forget about them?

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 05:08

@diktat your deleted 🥱 is still visible.
I'll really struggle to listen to your viewpoint given you've made it clear your opinion re the grooming gangs.

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DoreenonTill8 · 25/07/2024 07:31

To bleat on about something means ' to speak or complain in an annoying way whine.'
Are you saying people who mention grooming gangs are annoying whiners for doing so?

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'People like you'? Is that meant to be a mike drop moment?
Actually, if you use comprehension and remove your defensive stance, you'll see my issue was your phraseology of telling people who mentioned the grooming gangs that they were 'bleating on' which as I've already posted, indicates you think that anyone who mentions this is whining, and from your 🥱 response, that you find it boring. Which is appalling in my opinion given what occurred.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 25/07/2024 08:53

I agree, we need to know what the results of the inquest are and if that has any impact on the decision by the CPS not to prosecute

So do I, but then that's why I'd rather their decision had been left until after the inquest in the first place

I realise of course that the CPS will already have had most of the evidence, but rightly or wrongly it can look to some like "We won't prosecute unless we're forced to", and the sensitivities of Mohammed's community aren't the only ones which matter

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 09:40

Yesterday the inquest heard evidence from the brother's girlfriend and two doctors.

The girlfriend's evidence was that she doesn't believe the brother actually punched Falaq. She didn't use the word as far as I can see, but she was suggesting that he was catastrophising when he texted her. I would expect the defence to take this line if he was prosecuted on the basis of the text messages. There are cases where we know this has happened - A has collapsed, B thinks they caused the collapse and says they punched or hit A, when hard evidence has been available showing that any contact was minimal. I'm not saying that is what happened in this case, but that is what I would expect the defence to say.

The more interesting evidence in my view came from two doctors. It seems Falaq had an arteriovenous malformation (AVM) in her brain (note that the Daily Mail gets the term wrong and talks about an abnormal venous malformation). An AVM is a tangle of blood vessels with irregular connections between arteries and veins. An AVM in the brain is rare, particularly in females, but Falaq had one in her cerebellum (the bottom of the back of her brain). An AVM puts a lot of pressure on the walls of the arteries and veins affected. This causes the walls to become thin and weak, and may lead to the walls rupturing spontaneously, causing bleeding in the brain. There is anecdotal evidence suggesting that physical trauma (e.g. being hit) can cause an AVM to bleed, but there is no scientifically proven link. If the brother was prosecuted for manslaughter, I would expect any medical experts to say that, whilst it is possible that a punch or slap from him could have caused the bleed, it is at least equally likely that the bleed happened entirely on its own and was not caused by anything the brother did.

The other point of note is that neither of the doctors questioned yesterday appears to have been aware at the time of death that there had been any physical trauma. This strongly suggests that her brother did not cause any physical injury - no bruises or broken skin, far less any broken bones.

On the medical evidence presented yesterday, I am not surprised that the CPS have not charged the brother with causing his sister's death. And I strongly disagree with the previous poster. If it is clear that there is insufficient evidence to support a prosecution, it would be quite wrong of the CPS to keep the brother and the family hanging on until after the inquest before making a charging decision just because some people who haven't seen all the evidence (or don't want to accept the evidence) think they should.

I would not expect the brother to be charged with child abuse based on a single text message exchange as that is unlikely to be sufficient to get a conviction. Even if there was enough evidence to prosecute him for this offence, unless it was more serious than appears from the medical evidence so far, he would be facing a community sentence if convicted.

I would temper all of the above by saying we are only halfway through the inquest. There are still two more days of hearings. It may be that information will emerge that will change things. Indeed, it may be that information will emerge that will lead to the CPS reviewing its decision not to charge the brother. But the evidence so far suggests this was a perfectly normal charging decision by the CPS, not the scandal the Daily Mail clearly wants it to be.

Bromptotoo · 25/07/2024 12:47

The reason I'm not happy about taking a Daily Mail link as the truth, the whole truth etc is that long experience tells me it delights in 'making' scandal where one may not exist. It particularly likes doing that where the scandal can be portrayed as a failing by 'the authorities'.

It also plays fast/loose with facts.

A prime example of that was around ten years ago where a section of road accessing a development in Bedfordshire that had a 'No Motor Vehicle Except Buses' restriction was changed to a bus lane. The intention was that the drivers disregarding the restriction could be caught on camera and fined.

Unless you though there was more than met the eye and used Streetview you'd have thought all the people pictured with Penalties and wearing 'compo faces' were properly caught out by something dropped out of a clear sky onto an unrestricted road.

If you Google the girls name you can find a bit more about the case including the fact that the inquest was adjourned last year for the Police to make further inquiries into the Brother's account.

I'm not saying he is not a baddun.. However, unless the Prosecution can get a jury to be so certain they are sure that (a) he actually deliberately punched her and that (b) there was a causal link between the punch and the girl's death then the jury will not be convinced and he'll be acquitted.

Arconialiving · 25/07/2024 14:15

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 09:40

Yesterday the inquest heard evidence from the brother's girlfriend and two doctors.

The girlfriend's evidence was that she doesn't believe the brother actually punched Falaq. She didn't use the word as far as I can see, but she was suggesting that he was catastrophising when he texted her. I would expect the defence to take this line if he was prosecuted on the basis of the text messages. There are cases where we know this has happened - A has collapsed, B thinks they caused the collapse and says they punched or hit A, when hard evidence has been available showing that any contact was minimal. I'm not saying that is what happened in this case, but that is what I would expect the defence to say.

The more interesting evidence in my view came from two doctors. It seems Falaq had an arteriovenous malformation (AVM) in her brain (note that the Daily Mail gets the term wrong and talks about an abnormal venous malformation). An AVM is a tangle of blood vessels with irregular connections between arteries and veins. An AVM in the brain is rare, particularly in females, but Falaq had one in her cerebellum (the bottom of the back of her brain). An AVM puts a lot of pressure on the walls of the arteries and veins affected. This causes the walls to become thin and weak, and may lead to the walls rupturing spontaneously, causing bleeding in the brain. There is anecdotal evidence suggesting that physical trauma (e.g. being hit) can cause an AVM to bleed, but there is no scientifically proven link. If the brother was prosecuted for manslaughter, I would expect any medical experts to say that, whilst it is possible that a punch or slap from him could have caused the bleed, it is at least equally likely that the bleed happened entirely on its own and was not caused by anything the brother did.

The other point of note is that neither of the doctors questioned yesterday appears to have been aware at the time of death that there had been any physical trauma. This strongly suggests that her brother did not cause any physical injury - no bruises or broken skin, far less any broken bones.

On the medical evidence presented yesterday, I am not surprised that the CPS have not charged the brother with causing his sister's death. And I strongly disagree with the previous poster. If it is clear that there is insufficient evidence to support a prosecution, it would be quite wrong of the CPS to keep the brother and the family hanging on until after the inquest before making a charging decision just because some people who haven't seen all the evidence (or don't want to accept the evidence) think they should.

I would not expect the brother to be charged with child abuse based on a single text message exchange as that is unlikely to be sufficient to get a conviction. Even if there was enough evidence to prosecute him for this offence, unless it was more serious than appears from the medical evidence so far, he would be facing a community sentence if convicted.

I would temper all of the above by saying we are only halfway through the inquest. There are still two more days of hearings. It may be that information will emerge that will change things. Indeed, it may be that information will emerge that will lead to the CPS reviewing its decision not to charge the brother. But the evidence so far suggests this was a perfectly normal charging decision by the CPS, not the scandal the Daily Mail clearly wants it to be.

Thanks for this as I hadn't appreciated this perspective.

Still don't understand why the family didn't allow the younger siblings to speak to the police about what they witnessed though & how that was deemed acceptable & not followed up on.

Concretejungle1 · 25/07/2024 14:42

Why is the family protecting him? Disgraceful. Should be disowned. Police/cps should be prosecuting him.

prh47bridge · 25/07/2024 14:51

Concretejungle1 · 25/07/2024 14:42

Why is the family protecting him? Disgraceful. Should be disowned. Police/cps should be prosecuting him.

The police can't prosecute him. They think he should be charged with manslaughter. However, the CPS think the medical evidence undermines any attempt to charge him with that. Based on the evidence given yesterday in the inquest (summarised in my post above) it looks like the CPS is correct, but the inquest doesn't finish until Friday so it is possible further evidence will emerge that will change things.

Inlaw · 25/07/2024 17:59

mirax · 25/07/2024 03:17

It seems it is irrelevant and wacist shitstirring to mentiona the grooming gangs when this is a case that originates from the same community and town (Rochdale) as the grooming gangs and speaks to a contempt for females but it is entirely alright to bring in a Dutch pedophile and "white" or christian culture. Special and not special at the same time. Diktat is a fitting name for someone who wants to dictate such rigid parameters of discussion and accuse others of agendas.

It was and still is one of the largest scandals of our time.

And as much as you want to say it’s Islamophobia to bring it up. Well it wasn’t the Muslim or Asian community who did it was it? No it was our predominantly white British police force who people are pissed off with.

MagicFarawayTea · 25/07/2024 18:03

In a similar vein, try watching “Honour” currently on Netflix. Mind boggling misogyny. 😢

croydon15 · 25/07/2024 18:33

Absolutely disgusting, why can't the police force the children to be interviewed but then these little children may be at risk from the adults who only protect the male, a girl is worth nothing, should not be allowed to get away with murder so to speak so no justice for that little girl