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Admitting to killing his sister and getting away with it

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SouthernFashionista · 23/07/2024 22:29

I could weep after reading this. But mostly I’m just angry. How in gods name has this happened? I know some don’t like DM links but the facts are that a man punched his sister in the head, killing her, and admitted doing so yet will face no charges. Sickening.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13664507/Girl-11-died-punched-heat-moment-half-brother-not-face-charges.html

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Inlaw · 24/07/2024 15:12

diktat · 24/07/2024 14:37

Yes, and the decision not to charge this man with Falaq's death is a systemic one, not due to his religion.

The charge rate by ethnicity is higher for Asians so this argument doesn't even make any sense.

Table: Charge Rates by suspect’s ethnicity

A1 – Indian
71.8
A2 – Pakistani
73.5
W1 – White British
69.6

https://www.cps.gov.uk/publication/cps-charging-decisions-examining-demographic-disparities-outcomes-our-decision-making

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That is for the CPS. Was this sent to the CPS?

The issue many here are discussing is two tier policing. That is when the police ignore crimes or don’t gather evidence/ submit cases to CPS.

Look we are not going to agree on this issue. OP is asking why hasn’t he been charged and I can’t see a good reason. It has happened before and potentially is happening again here.

Im not going to spend all day discussing this with you. All the best

diktat · 24/07/2024 15:17

Inlaw · 24/07/2024 15:12

That is for the CPS. Was this sent to the CPS?

The issue many here are discussing is two tier policing. That is when the police ignore crimes or don’t gather evidence/ submit cases to CPS.

Look we are not going to agree on this issue. OP is asking why hasn’t he been charged and I can’t see a good reason. It has happened before and potentially is happening again here.

Im not going to spend all day discussing this with you. All the best

I'd rather not discuss it either, it seems like people want an echo chamber of Islamophobes.

But yes, the police did want to charge him because they felt there was suffcient evidence. It was the CPS who ruled there was no case due to the complexities of the medical evidence.

So the two tier policing theory for this case is a crock of shite.

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 15:19

Inlaw · 24/07/2024 15:12

That is for the CPS. Was this sent to the CPS?

The issue many here are discussing is two tier policing. That is when the police ignore crimes or don’t gather evidence/ submit cases to CPS.

Look we are not going to agree on this issue. OP is asking why hasn’t he been charged and I can’t see a good reason. It has happened before and potentially is happening again here.

Im not going to spend all day discussing this with you. All the best

Yes, this was sent to the CPS. The police thought that there was enough evidence for a manslaughter charge. The CPS decided that the medical evidence meant it was not appropriate to charge him.

Naunet · 24/07/2024 15:25

diktat · 24/07/2024 15:17

I'd rather not discuss it either, it seems like people want an echo chamber of Islamophobes.

But yes, the police did want to charge him because they felt there was suffcient evidence. It was the CPS who ruled there was no case due to the complexities of the medical evidence.

So the two tier policing theory for this case is a crock of shite.

An echo chamber of Islamophobes = a bunch of women (whose religion YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW) outraged that a girl, a MUSLIM girl, has very possibly lost her life at the hands of yet another violent male, and the police don’t seem to be taking it seriously enough.

🙄

Inlaw · 24/07/2024 15:25

diktat · 24/07/2024 15:17

I'd rather not discuss it either, it seems like people want an echo chamber of Islamophobes.

But yes, the police did want to charge him because they felt there was suffcient evidence. It was the CPS who ruled there was no case due to the complexities of the medical evidence.

So the two tier policing theory for this case is a crock of shite.

Thank you,

If that’s the case you should have just said so! Instead we have 5 pages of screams of Islamophobia, white culture and comparisons with a Dutch rapist.

This has been painful

diktat · 24/07/2024 15:27

Inlaw · 24/07/2024 15:25

Thank you,

If that’s the case you should have just said so! Instead we have 5 pages of screams of Islamophobia, white culture and comparisons with a Dutch rapist.

This has been painful

Why is it my job to explain the case to you? Why not read the article that was linked in the OP explaining this?

diktat · 24/07/2024 15:28

Naunet · 24/07/2024 15:25

An echo chamber of Islamophobes = a bunch of women (whose religion YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW) outraged that a girl, a MUSLIM girl, has very possibly lost her life at the hands of yet another violent male, and the police don’t seem to be taking it seriously enough.

🙄

@Naunet I'm not being baited into an argument with you. Do jog on.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/07/2024 15:29

Just statistically, is it a race issue, a religion issue, or a sex issue? CLEARLY, without any doubt it's a male violence issue. Men will use religion, race, the law, whatever to get away with things. But male violence is at the heart of it.

diktat · 24/07/2024 15:30

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/07/2024 15:29

Just statistically, is it a race issue, a religion issue, or a sex issue? CLEARLY, without any doubt it's a male violence issue. Men will use religion, race, the law, whatever to get away with things. But male violence is at the heart of it.

Agreed MrsTP

Rubyupbeat · 24/07/2024 15:35

Hey, she's only a female, hasn't everyone seen how honour killings are carried out, the whole community protecting the murderers. Usually dad and brothers!
Also, what was he doing in the bathroom with her?, poor little mite.
Those parents shouldn't have the choice of deciding whether the younger siblings talk to the police or not.
Oh well, a wife will be found for him from 'back home' who he can abuse all he likes, as she will have no voice nor knowledge of what is allowed.

BerwickBeak · 24/07/2024 15:39

I wish he could have been convicted the first time he said ‘no comment’.

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 16:20

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 15:10

Oh well that's alright then...

If he did not kill her then yes, it is alright. But perhaps inconvenient things like evidence don't matter to you.

Naunet · 24/07/2024 16:39

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 16:20

If he did not kill her then yes, it is alright. But perhaps inconvenient things like evidence don't matter to you.

No, it’s not alright that he punched a child in the face, whether he killed her or not. I’m amazed that needs saying.

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2024 17:17

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 16:20

If he did not kill her then yes, it is alright. But perhaps inconvenient things like evidence don't matter to you.

I suppose you punch your kids all the time, given it's alright, provided they don't die. 🙄

There is evidence he admits it in messages, was highly suspicious on the calls to 999 and the family refused to allow the witnesses to be interviewed. The only way there could be more evidence is if they had videos of it.

Chickenuggetsticks · 24/07/2024 17:28

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/07/2024 15:29

Just statistically, is it a race issue, a religion issue, or a sex issue? CLEARLY, without any doubt it's a male violence issue. Men will use religion, race, the law, whatever to get away with things. But male violence is at the heart of it.

Normally I agree with your posts and I genuinely think your contributions are thoughtful and always add to a conversation.

I think however unless you are from a minority community (I have no idea if you are) you really aren’t always aware of the level of pervasiveness of male control and violence that is hushed up. I reflected on my previous post about my muslim friends being physically abused by male relatives and had to also add hindu and sikh friends to my recollections who were also routinely slapped for breaking rules.

It is very difficult for women from minorities to admit this and no-one really wants to acknowledge it properly because theres a chance of stigmatising entire communities. But the level of control exerted on daughters and wives and daughter in laws for that matter is sometimes shocking. I don’t believe that is the majority of families now by the way, it’s really important to emphasise that. But in the past the priority was definitely the males in their families, male honour, male control. I came from a very liberal family so I never suffered from this but a lot of girls I grew up with did and I know women in previous generations did. I don’t believe that men raised in that environment have just dropped the behaviour all of a sudden. The honour aspect is the most insidious, it’s often said in a way which sounds like a compliment to daughters “you are our families honour” but is actually really horrifying, a daughters actions can dishonour your entire family. Your sons don’t, so you need to really watch that girl, not a step wrong.

I remember a “Goodness Gracious Me” skit about a woman trying to go to a domestic violence shelter and being told “oh well it’s just your culture isn’t it.” It was calling out well meaning people who just didn’t want to see it.
I feel like when we just say it’s male violence we ignore the context of that violence and the secrecy surrounding it in an effort to not make people look bad, not to let the racists win. But if someone’s cultural norms actively harms women and girls in a way that is accepted within their community (and I don’t necessarily mean endorsed, but that no-one will dob them in or provide supporting statements, or shelter or any kind of help for a victim incase they themselves are shunned by the community) we should be able to name that.

I doubt that this was the first time that man was violent to that child, the culture of secrecy started immediately. It bothers people like me because I’ve seen it in action and I see quickly people can gloss over crimes against brown women and girls, especially the people from their own community. It leaves men free to carry on abusing and it makes me fucking furious,

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 18:16

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2024 17:17

I suppose you punch your kids all the time, given it's alright, provided they don't die. 🙄

There is evidence he admits it in messages, was highly suspicious on the calls to 999 and the family refused to allow the witnesses to be interviewed. The only way there could be more evidence is if they had videos of it.

The noted screaming, the smashed down door, the destroyed bathroom, again HE ADMITTED IT!! yet on a parenting site we have posters saying 'oh he would have been in shock' 'ah ha! You can't prove his assault actually did it..' what the actual fuck.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/07/2024 18:28

@Chickenuggetsticks I've seen it firsthand. Not as a victim, thank goodness. However, I've also had sibling violence and abuse denied and minimised in my white, atheist family.

I know there can be cultural aspects. But that isn't a reason to ignore that it's male violence. Which I'm not saying you are!

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 18:31

Anotherparkingthread · 24/07/2024 17:17

I suppose you punch your kids all the time, given it's alright, provided they don't die. 🙄

There is evidence he admits it in messages, was highly suspicious on the calls to 999 and the family refused to allow the witnesses to be interviewed. The only way there could be more evidence is if they had videos of it.

No, I am not saying it is alright that he punched her. Apologies - I can see that my last post was poorly worded. I am merely trying to point out to people who insist he is a killer that the fact the CPS have decided not to prosecute based on the medical evidence strongly suggests that the medical evidence does not prove any link between him hitting her and her dying. There seem to be plenty of people on this thread who want to abandon the presumption of innocence and the need for proof.

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 19:04

Whys he not even being arrested for assault/child abuse?

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 21:46

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 19:04

Whys he not even being arrested for assault/child abuse?

I presume you mean charged. He has been arrested, but he hasn't been charged with anything.

As far as I can see, the only evidence he hit her is a text message he sent to his girlfriend. If the court were to decide that is inadmissible, there would be no evidence at all. Even if it is admitted, the court may well rule that it is not enough on its own to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did indeed punch her.

Getonwitit · 24/07/2024 22:09

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 15:07

To repeat, we don't know that he is a killer. We do know that the authorities regard what happened as manslaughter at worst, not murder. If the medical evidence does not show that the punch caused his sister's death, he is not a killer.

He killed his much younger sister, no matter what way you dress it up he ended her life.

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:11

Thank you for the correction....
Well I absolutely hope the coroner is investigating why a young girl, for absolutely no reason at all, and absolutely not due to the fault of anyone at all, died what presents as a violent incident.. but don't worry @prh47bridge hopefully they'll steer well away from looking at her brother who smashed the bathroom door in and destroyed the bathroom...poor lamb that he is.

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:13

Getonwitit · 24/07/2024 22:09

He killed his much younger sister, no matter what way you dress it up he ended her life.

The fact someone has the gall to write 'manslaughter at worst' Falaq is DEAD and the concern is for the poor brother and what he could get charged with!

prh47bridge · 24/07/2024 22:15

Getonwitit · 24/07/2024 22:09

He killed his much younger sister, no matter what way you dress it up he ended her life.

I am not dressing it up at all. I am sticking with the facts. The CPS say he is not being charged because of the medical evidence. We should know when the inquest is over, but that almost certainly means that the medical evidence shows that her death may be unconnected to what he did.

It does sometimes happen that A hits B and B dies, but the reason B died was unconnected with A hitting them. If that is what happened here, he did not kill her, no matter what way you dress it up.

DoreenonTill8 · 24/07/2024 22:20

@prh47bridge Do you think he should be charged with assault/gbh for punching her in the head?