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Smoking outside in populated public places.

380 replies

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 10:21

It was a beautiful day as I sat outside my local coffee shop with my 2 children, drinking smoothies and soaking up the sunshine.
Then BOOM, the table next to us lights up a cigarette and it blows our way.

The day before we were lining the streets for a tractor run…. We had a front view and the kids are at the front. Then BOOM, a man behind us lights up just as it’s beginning and is breathing the smoke down on us.

Why oh why is smoking allowed outside, and not just in designated smoking areas, where they can all sit and smoke together. It happens us all the time.

Yes they’re entitled to do it, but is it right? Hell no.

AIBU?

OP posts:
ClaudiaWankleman · 22/07/2024 13:21

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 13:18

Well let me break it down for you this way….

We made a decision to attend a tractor run, therefore accepted the diesel fume risk. It was our decision. (This is a really poor argument by the way but I’ll play along nonetheless)

The Ahole who stood behind us breathing down on us what not our decision, it was forced upon us and took away from a what should have been very fun experience.

When smokers let their smoke impact other people, it’s not the persons decision to allow it to happen. Given there is no legal protection we can’t say anything. Therefore we feel forced to cut our visit to a place short.

Passive smoking is a public health risk.

Do you know how silly you sound?

PhilosophicalCheeseSandwich · 22/07/2024 13:23

I don't smoke, but I happily sat by a smoker outside a coffee shop this morning so I could enjoy the sunshine. It's a choice isn't it? If you want to sit outside you might smell some cigarette smoke. It was blowing away quickly enough and it didn't bother me.

LawksALordyMyBottomsOnFire · 22/07/2024 13:24

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 13:18

Well let me break it down for you this way….

We made a decision to attend a tractor run, therefore accepted the diesel fume risk. It was our decision. (This is a really poor argument by the way but I’ll play along nonetheless)

The Ahole who stood behind us breathing down on us what not our decision, it was forced upon us and took away from a what should have been very fun experience.

When smokers let their smoke impact other people, it’s not the persons decision to allow it to happen. Given there is no legal protection we can’t say anything. Therefore we feel forced to cut our visit to a place short.

Passive smoking is a public health risk.

Ahh ok

Good to know you'll allow your kids lungs to be filled with shit for fun, but not because a tiny bit of cigarette smoke is in the air behind them.

If only you all had the ability to walk away a bit?

ClaudiaWankleman · 22/07/2024 13:24

Personally I'm really offended by the fact that a load of people got together to poison the general environment with greenhouse gases and CO as well as whatever is in that red diesel that makes it so smoky. It's completely out of the rest of the population's control but we'll have to breathe it in and suffer the global warming effects for years to come.

Tractor runs are a public health risk! Won't somebody think of the children?!

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 13:25

TwattyMcFuckFace · 22/07/2024 13:15

Yes, especially in front of kids.

Not sure why the OP thinks it isn't? 👀

Check out the sexual offences act 2003. Sex in public is not a criminal offence. It’s not really the done thing naturally but you can get done for public indecency… a different offence. But I mean… it could be argued in court that it’s not illegal, because it’s not stipulated.

OP posts:
AzureAnt · 22/07/2024 13:27

Maybe they could start with the proliferation of weed smokers that seem to popluate many town centres. It stinks a lot worse than normal fag smoke

TwattyMcFuckFace · 22/07/2024 13:30

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 13:25

Check out the sexual offences act 2003. Sex in public is not a criminal offence. It’s not really the done thing naturally but you can get done for public indecency… a different offence. But I mean… it could be argued in court that it’s not illegal, because it’s not stipulated.

This is the same silly 'hair splitting' argument as you letting your kids breath in diesel fumes, because you chose it for them, but cigarette smoke which is far less abundant is a problem because you didn't choose it 🙄😂

BashfulClam · 22/07/2024 13:33

If you ask them they may not be aware it’s bothering you and would move away. We were sitting outside to eat recently and the table next to us lit up, I dint mind usually but the wind this day meant all the smoke blew straight over us continually. I spoke to
them and we agreed to swap tables. The smoke then blew the other way fromus. We got to eat, they got to increase their risk of several awful illnesses..win win. I did ask a guy in a bank cash line queue to put it out though as there was no way to move and at least six people were smoking his fag too. He seemed to unaware it was blowing over everyone. I think sometimes it’s unconscious and rather than be nasty you just ask politely if they could move somewhere else as their smoke is bothering you. The majority will do so. I did shout at a guy who threw his cigarette end on the ground inches from a bin. Asked him to pick it up, outside isn’t a bin and to be fair he went red and did pick it up and bin it.

Cherrysoup · 22/07/2024 13:36

Drives me nuts going into/coming out of supermarkets, the smokers literally outside the door. Worse were the groups outside A&E-it’s a non-smoking site!

I agree re the smell of people, it’s sad when the kids I teach absolutely stink of smoke because their parents obviously smoke in the house.

Bloom15 · 22/07/2024 13:37

PhilosophicalCheeseSandwich · 22/07/2024 13:23

I don't smoke, but I happily sat by a smoker outside a coffee shop this morning so I could enjoy the sunshine. It's a choice isn't it? If you want to sit outside you might smell some cigarette smoke. It was blowing away quickly enough and it didn't bother me.

It's not a choice for people like me with asthma. Most smokers just don't care - it's antisocial

Bloom15 · 22/07/2024 13:40

Cherrysoup · 22/07/2024 13:36

Drives me nuts going into/coming out of supermarkets, the smokers literally outside the door. Worse were the groups outside A&E-it’s a non-smoking site!

I agree re the smell of people, it’s sad when the kids I teach absolutely stink of smoke because their parents obviously smoke in the house.

Completely agree!

I was in an and e after an asthma attack. After discharge I was waiting for my taxi and had about 10 people outside smoking. They don't give a shit

ClaudiaWankleman · 22/07/2024 13:42

Bloom15 · 22/07/2024 13:37

It's not a choice for people like me with asthma. Most smokers just don't care - it's antisocial

So don't sit there? It's not an obligation to.

MrsMiddleMother · 22/07/2024 13:42

Yanbu! It's disgusting and infuriating quit frankly. I used to smoke and now vape, I DONT smoke in crowded public places or anywhere near kids, not even my own. I'd never smoke on the local High Street or sat outside a cafe or on a beach, quite frankly I think its vile and selfish. As a mother there's nothing worse than them bring surrounded by second hand smoke and it absolutely stinks.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:44

Smoking is rank.
It stinks.
Smokers stink.
Lightning up in busy areas is ridiculously selfish and anti-social.
There is plenty of help to stop smoking nowadays. 😬

Errors · 22/07/2024 13:45

I don’t necessarily disagree OP but I’m mainly here to read the ridiculous over the top comments about smokers and vapers. MN absolutely hates them more than rapists and murderers and it makes me laugh every time

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:46

InfoSecInTheCity · 22/07/2024 11:13

"sat outside my local coffee shop with my 2 children, drinking smoothies and soaking up the sunshine. "

To be fair to the smokers they sit there for the 48 weeks a year when it's raining, snowing hailing, windy and cold, it's a bit entitled to think you should be able to kick them out for the 4 weeks a year when it's decent weather and actually enjoyable to use those seats isn't it?

No, it's entitled to think you own the outside seating and can blow foul smoke in a child's direction.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:47

Errors · 22/07/2024 13:45

I don’t necessarily disagree OP but I’m mainly here to read the ridiculous over the top comments about smokers and vapers. MN absolutely hates them more than rapists and murderers and it makes me laugh every time

MN can't hate anyone - MN is a chat site. I'm with the MN members who hate smoking though. 🤢🤢🤢

CheezePleeze · 22/07/2024 13:48

MrsMiddleMother · 22/07/2024 13:42

Yanbu! It's disgusting and infuriating quit frankly. I used to smoke and now vape, I DONT smoke in crowded public places or anywhere near kids, not even my own. I'd never smoke on the local High Street or sat outside a cafe or on a beach, quite frankly I think its vile and selfish. As a mother there's nothing worse than them bring surrounded by second hand smoke and it absolutely stinks.

As a mother there's nothing worse than them bring surrounded by second hand smoke and it absolutely stinks.

Oh I don't know, the thick, heavy diesel fumes from the front row of a tractor run comes pretty close.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:49

If I want to be selfish have a smoke and I’m somewhere I can do so legally, I’ll be selfish have (a) smoke. End of.

There, fixed. 😬

ClaudiaWankleman · 22/07/2024 13:51

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:49

If I want to be selfish have a smoke and I’m somewhere I can do so legally, I’ll be selfish have (a) smoke. End of.

There, fixed. 😬

Don't you think it's also quite selfish to expect to direct the perfectly legal behaviour of others, especially when those same others have already made concessions to you (by being outside)?

It's a word that's overused on MN, but it fits here - entitled.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:51

ClaudiaWankleman · 22/07/2024 13:05

You could have gone inside the shop - the smoker couldn't.

Edited

...and that's the smoker's own fault.
Nice own goal.

Ginlfixit · 22/07/2024 13:52

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 12:57

@Klippityklopp people who post in AIBU also can have a sense of humour and find other peoples opinions funny.
it’s funny to me because it validates the difficulty people like me experience and the poor attitudes ( no fucks given) towards those impacted by such offenders.
Better to laugh than cry I say!

You really don't know AIBU very well

Ginlfixit · 22/07/2024 13:53

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:51

...and that's the smoker's own fault.
Nice own goal.

How exactly? It wasn't smokers who lobbied to ban smoking indoors.

Werweisswohin · 22/07/2024 13:53

ClaudiaWankleman · 22/07/2024 13:21

Do you know how silly you sound?

Meanwhile someone justifying smoking sounds......😵‍💫

Bodeganights · 22/07/2024 13:53

Readytoevolve · 22/07/2024 12:35

I find it funny how I’m getting push back on this, so I assume those who are belittling my feelings on the matter are likely the offenders.

Tell me smokers, do you like being smelly? Cause despite popular belief amongst smokers, you still smell after taking a mint, your clothes wreak after smoking and non smokers are too polite to tell you. They just move away.

Its reek, not wreak, I'd like to be too polite to tell you, but meh.