No more Protest

[lightinthebox]

Regardless of your views of Just Stop Oil, we should all be worried.

This has gone through easily because people hate Just Stop Oil, it’s an easy target and has fooled people.

We should not be celebrating lengthy jail sentences for planning protests, we should be scared about what this means.

Not just that, but if peaceful protests equal a jail sentence then what’s to stop people from going to violence if they know they can’t protest.

People should stop and think, ignore your prejudice and see the bigger picture.

@JustAVeryWeirdWoman there's no coherence in your response at all. Britain and Russia are not the same when it comes to protest and are not even close. It shows a lack of understanding to suggest otherwise. I'm also pretty sure that the criminals jailed as leaders of JSO are British (so Westerners as well). Not really sure what that has to do with the price of tomatoes.

Football matches bring huge disruption before and after the match, fights running battles, drunken thugs... all of which can't really be planned for and cause massive disruption & violence to innocent members of the public who cannot plan not to be mixed up in hooliganism.

I'm not batting away anything, you just chose not to read what i wrote: that other punishments should be considered, i suggested financial, i'm sure losing their homes would be a strong incentive to obey the law and campaign differently.

There is no possible excuse to put in jail, at huge cost to the taxpayer, these protestors, jail should be for those that pose a violent threat to ordinary people, instead we have a topsy turvy world where violent (inc sex) offenders get less than 5 years and non violent protesters get longer sentences..... & we all cheer along.

Would you not lock up serial burglars? Or people who run gangs of (adult) pickpockets, or persistent vandals?

Why is mayhem affecting dozens of thousands of people so acceptable?

@Alexandra2001 more bollocks and muddled thinking. People lawfully attending football matches don't set out to cripple infrastructure and cause gridlock for circa 15 million people in the entire Greater London area in pursuit of extreme political aims.

Honestly, give your head a wobble and wake up!

You should have left this way of thinking in the Sixth Form Common Room like the rest of us grown ups.

Sorry, I don't follow you. What do you mean about communists?

Of all the posts on here yours are the most divorced from reality.

You are actually denying the science on this? People still do that? Not only that, but using the "weather" argument, the worst one of all. Weather is not the same as climate. Haven't you picked that up yet?

I have always found that it is the wilfully ignorant who are most like that. Think of Trump, for example. That's a complete ignoramus who nonetheless thinks he knows more than anybody else and thus can challenge fact with his fantasies.

I've just read the sentencing remarks. These people were engaged in a criminal conspiracy to terrorise every single person reliant on the smooth running of the M25. That's millions of people. They should have received longer sentences IMHO, because we shouldn't tolerate terrorism in any form. This idea that supporters have that it is non violent and okay, don't understand the very real impact and misery that it caused.

Heroes in their own stories, villains to the rest of us.

Ugh. Not this rancid bullshit. Look, the facts just aren't with you. You don't have some special insight that scientists do not have.
The arrogance of the ignorant knows no bounds.
You just don't want to change your carbon heavy lifestyle, so you make up this kind of nonsense to make yourself feel better.

Oh, get real. It isn't terrorism. It has to instill widespread fear of bodily harm in order to be terrorism, not inconvenience.
It's still not okay, but let's not get hysterical and call it terrorism.

Equating JSO with real terrorism like 9/11 is something people should be ashamed of.

Is it such a disaster if the world ends?

To make this argument you have to ignore the risk to life, as well as other harms, these protestors were planning to cause. To claim this was non -violent you really have to take a very narrow definition of violence as limited to punching someone in the face, or suchlike.

You also have to deliberately ignore what these protestors actually did and hoped to do, to compare it to a football match. This is a laughably inaccurate comparison, both in scale and duration.

The fascinating thing about defenders of JSO on this thread is the way the engage in wild inacurate hyperbole on one side ( the UK is now like like Russia and China!) and wild inaccurate minimization on the other ( the disruption of the protest was just like a football match!)) on the other.
When you have to clutch at such desperate straws to make a case, you really don’t have a case and are in the realms of fantasist.

You clearly haven’t also read what the protestors did or read what they planned to do.

100%. I have found that intellectual dishonesty of this sort is common on MN.

Seems like the definition of terrorism to me

@XChrome I disagree. It's the scale of it. They set out to terrorise the people of Greater London into accepting their beliefs. They didn't care if people died for lack of medical treatment, or suffered financially or mentally, or were put in danger because of it. No n

@lightinthebox have you read the things they have said? About this not being to do with peaceful protest

And are you affiliated with them?

You put that better than me. Thank you.

Agreed.

Ridiculous degree of short-termist, head-in-the-sand selfishness on display here.

People missing appointments, being late for work etc, yes, frustrating, irritating, even life-threatening to the individual, but it's a testament to just how ignorant of reality most are that they are furious about their arses being put out of joint for a few hours, while merrily plodding headlong towards complete and utter oblivion and happy to jail anyone who dares to highlight the ignorance.

Good luck getting to work, or your hospital appointment, when the 98% of the planet is underwater, and the parts which are not are smouldering, uninhabitable craters. Perhaps the fact that people are willing to go to prison over this, AND create merry hell for "ordinary" people should give pause for thought, but no, provided the kids get to school for 9am all is well. 🙄

Short custodial sentence in Cat C with no social media/internet access would be perfectly appropriate, but locking these people up for longer than people who commit acts of serious violence against the person and sexual offences is palpably ridiculous. This isn't going to be over if/when they finally get out either, because these convictions will just push them even further to the fringes of society, and likely embolden them to even more extreme behaviours because they have even less to lose.

Nope. It's not "terror" if it's about being late for work or missing an appointment. Who is "terrified" of that? It counts as terrorism only if, on a large scale, people think they may die or be injured.

Of course, people on the extreme left who support this stuff are always on the self-proclaimed "right side of history". They assume that they will be seen as heroes by future generations. It's delusional bullshit and turns off the majority of reasonable people who actually do care about environmental issues.

Yes, because life will be a bed of roses post-environmental collapse.

The purpose is not to force anyone into "accepting beliefs", it's to highlight an impending reality, and make people realise that there wont be any "medical treatment" and a whole fuckton more mental and financial suffering in short order if "ordinary people" just blithely carry on with their "ordinary lives".

To that extent, I think they have succeeded somewhat, it's just disheartening to see how much total ignorance pervades, and that people would sooner just stick their fingers in their ears and lock people up for laying down some harsh truths than actually listen.

@XChrome keep on being an apologist for environmental terrorists. It's Mumsnet. So you do you!

🙄Look up the definition of violence and get back to us.