Disorder in Leeds

[OrangeFurever]

Anyone watching the public disorder in Leeds? Bloody disgusting behaviour. Animals. AIBU to wish police had so many more resources to bring consequences to these absolute excuses for humanity?

Ok. What did you see then when you saw them burning buses, making bonfires, smashing a police car and chasing off the police for no reason, other than the Social Services wanted to take some children for their own safety?

Do please put it in context.

This is Britain, the world's softest touch.

We've been weak on law and order since the days of Thatcher.

So Farage saw the Harehills riots and he decided to "say what he saw" in a tweet - and came up with the politics of the sub continent being played on the streets of Leeds.

What was he seeing?

I didn't see the politics of the sub continent being played out on the streets of Leeds.

Did you?

Why mention that it is a white working class area - surely the fact that they are white is as "irrelevant" as you say the race of the Roma family is?

This aged well

I saw a bunch of migrants laying down the law to the police and the social services.
I saw a bunch of migrants destroying public property
I saw a bunch of migrants refusing to obey the law of this land.
I saw a community spokesman come along and say that taking the children-that kicked it all off-was systematic racism.
I saw a group of people who looked and sounded as if they came from the sub continent join in alacrity.

Everything like this is political.

If a red Ford Fiesta crashed into your car and you gave the details to police and insurance, would you think your insurance provider was being unreasonable if they refused your claim as the Ford Fiesta was maroon, not red?

You would be jumping up and down, yelling that it was a fucking Ford Fiesta.

If the Harehills Riot was mostly powered on this occasion by Roma and not people from the sub continent, then Farage is partially wrong on the detail but not on the fact.

It is not racist, We have to move away from this mind set, although I think it is too late.

"If the Harehills Riot was mostly powered on this occasion by Roma and not people from the sub continent, then Farage is partially wrong on the detail but not on the fact."

Wrong on the detail and the facts.

And he tweeted it out.
He saw something, jumped to a conclusion and spread it out to his followers.
For some reason.

But what did you see? Was it all a mirage. Were they members of the Far Right?

I am talking about what Farage saw.
You claimed it wasn't racist.
You said that he got the details wrong - mixing up the sub continent and Romania.

If you are a prominent MP or commentator, it's important to think before you tweet as it just helps fuel tensions and spread misinformation and fuel hate.

I am sure you would agree with that statement.

I agree.

Their ‘community leaders’ have jumped straight to ‘it’s racism’ rather than actually considering that maybe the children were being neglected.

The children don’t actually seem to matter. Just the parents feelings.

Someone who actually wants better for their own community would be encouraging the family to engage with SS so that the problems are outlined and what the parents need to do is clear. They would be telling their community that nightly protests can not be the reason the children are returned and the disturbance to other people in the area is only going to cause more problems.

Someone who wants better for their community would care about those kids

Were the people involved all migrants?
Surley many of them will have been people who were born in the UK?

No No @cakeorwine

Here you are, saying that we need to think critically and using that hackneyed old word that tries to excuse so much bad behaviour , 'CONTEXT'

So, using your advanced critical thinking 😀 what was the CONTEXT for this unlawful behaviour. By CONTEXT, do you mean EXCUSE? I rather think you do,

I just saw a bunch of twats. I haven't got the context and you seem pretty hesitant about describing it.

I suppose you might-if you try-say it was the context of taking children away but that wasn't context, that was the spark.

So, I saw a bunch of lawless twats who are now shouting racism.. I didn't dream it up. I saw them. You saw them. Farage saw them. We all saw them.

What did you SEE?

In no way to I think every Roma family was doing this to their children, and I do understand that the Roma community experience prejudice and racism (a lot of work has been done in Glasgow to tackle this) but no one should be ignoring children being forced to sit alone, in the cold and rain, begging for money.

It wasn't just shoplifting and begging - there were families prostituting their children on the streets of Govanhill. People reporting it got accused of racism.

"So, I saw a bunch of lawless twats who are now shouting racism.. I didn't dream it up. I saw them. You saw them. Farage saw them. We all saw them."

Farage said:

"The politics of the subcontinent are currently playing out on the streets of Leeds,” he wrote. “Don’t say I didn’t warn you"

That is an incorrect statement. As you said.

He got his facts wrong. He got his details wrong/

So Farage saw something and then tweeted about the politics of the sub continent.

That's not very good for an MP, is it?

I know it must be hard for you to admit that Farage got it wrong.
That he saw something and then decided to make it about "the politics of the sub continent"

But he got it wrong. Someone who cared about details would delete his tweet and say he jumped to a conclusion.

But I doubt he will do that.

And I hope he is challenged on that tweet when he is next interviewed.

"Mr Farage, when you saw the incident in Harehills, what led you to tweet about the politics of the sub continent being played out on the streets of Leeds?"

OK in the English language subcontinent means part of a continent (any part of any continent)

in Geographical terms several areas are generally formally classed as subcontinents, Europe is one of them (considered to be part of Eurasia)

Now given Nigel’s penchant for the EU and mass immigration I assume the subcontinent he refers to is Europe, and the politics he refers to are the politics of mass immigration, and referring to the dangers of that (much as I did in my post on page 20).

Of course excluding any recent radical continental drift, I am assuming Romania is still in Europe but that is largely irrelevant to his point I would think.

Tony B was fixated on making the EU a “superpower”, globalisation, and the (short term IMHO) economic gains, when he pushed and pushed for the massive Eastern EU expansion of 2004 and 2007. Of course concerns over the effects of mass immigration without integration are real, obvious and have been shown through academic studies, but Tony had more important objectives. Immigration from the first tranche in 2004 and 2005 alone was 20 times that estimated.

“In retrospect, if the government had known just how large this wave of migration would be, it would have undoubtedly made a different decision, as Jack Straw, the former home secretary admitted in 2013”

I am sure that is the explanation he would give.
"Oh yes, I was referring to the sub continent of Romania and the politics of immigration"

And yet according to @OlgaBracley he got his details wrong about the subcontinent.

Can't believe you even bothered typing that out

Read it again, he was IMHO referring to the subcontinent of Europe and the politics of mass immigration. What he is always on about is the clue.

Of course as I pointed out to you, Romania is a part of the European sub continent

I am sure the other poster took your word that what he had said was wrong. Which of course it was not.

just shows how careful you have to be not to mislead. Unless of course that is your intention, like the politicians screaming he is incorrect, in the hope that others will just pile on in their own prejudice.

Get factcheck on it if you want the truth

Of course he was.

Yes I think they should let them go back to Romania. Leave the baby in the care of SS.

There's probably contact details for Farage on his social media accounts. He's unlikely to answer you on (or even read) this thread, and he's the best person to ask for his reasoning behind his tweets.

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.

Tell you what you explain what you thought he meant and why it was incorrect instead of just making inane comments. I would be interested to understand your reasoning behind the claims you are making, I have clearly stated mine and the massive volume of Nigel’s previous comments on exactly that subject.

what are you reading into the phrase the politics of the subcontinent? Other than Europes policy allowing mass immigration without integration, which is creating dangerous division. Even that right wing ;) rag the Guardian was very clearly reporting it in Leeds in 2018 in the article I linked to.

Do we think the politics of ignore and placate the purps is going to work in a Europe more and more divided by this issue, because it is a real issue, no matter how certain politicians may close their eyes, cover their ears and sing La la la.