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Royal Children - Time for State school?

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microplastic · 17/07/2024 15:45

Should the Royal Family children be educated in state schools? Why do they get to attend private schools on taxpayers money? Is this something the Labour government could push for?

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ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 18/07/2024 21:26

cardibach · 18/07/2024 21:09

Well quite. Let’s stop that.

You'll need to start a revolution then. Even if this country was given a vote( never going to happen), when it came to putting a cross in a box to abolish the monarchy, the majority of people would decide to keep them.

cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 21:32

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 18/07/2024 21:26

You'll need to start a revolution then. Even if this country was given a vote( never going to happen), when it came to putting a cross in a box to abolish the monarchy, the majority of people would decide to keep them.

It's hardly going to need a revolution. The monarchy are very popular with the over 65s and least popular with young adults. How are you so sure we won't have a referendum?

twinmum2007 · 18/07/2024 21:34

Precipice · 17/07/2024 15:47

There shouldn't be "royal" children at all. The UK should become a democracy.

It is a democracy. What you mean is a Republic, with an elected head of state. Who would you choose?

DramaLlamaBangBang · 18/07/2024 21:35

I suspect people will just become more and more apathetic about them, and theyll just limp along with no one taking any notice. I don't think William looks like he's someone who will put the work in unless he absolutely has to.

PoliteCritic · 18/07/2024 21:36

The Royal Family will not be abolished yet, but it is coming. Probably after Anne and Charles die and Queen Elizabeth starts to feel like history. William shows no signs of wanting to do any work beyond football matches, mixing with celebrities and attending film premiers. It will reach a point where most people support their abolishment.

wordler · 18/07/2024 21:40

ISeriouslyDoubtIt · 18/07/2024 21:26

You'll need to start a revolution then. Even if this country was given a vote( never going to happen), when it came to putting a cross in a box to abolish the monarchy, the majority of people would decide to keep them.

Well, we are a democracy so we do have to wait until the majority want change.

But to get the government to even propose a vote you'd have to have a party who are prepared to follow through on a very costly and lengthy process to convert our current parliamentary system to a different one. The role of the Crown is woven through so many parts of British life that it will take an army of committees and millions of pounds to convert the system.

Bonus is that once it's done it's done but it would be the work of years, maybe decades to fully convert to a Republic - making Brexit look like child's play.

So until it's an incredibly popular choice with a big majority of the public, no one is going to have the stomach for it.

Lovely13 · 18/07/2024 21:43

cupcaske123 · 17/07/2024 15:52

What about a democratically elected head of state?

In 2019, you’d likely have had boris Johnson as our head of state. In 1997, post Diana’s death, it would have been Earl Spencer. Both loved in the moment by British public. Our creaky out-dated method is mothy, but tested.

BMW6 · 18/07/2024 21:44

Even if the RF were abolished and we became a a Republic there will ALWAYS be people who can afford private education - in a school or in the home.

As I pointed out upthread, what can you do about the inequality? Ban Public Schools? Ban private tuition? Ban parents home educating?

How can you "level the playing field" without becoming Tyrannical??

Bazinga007 · 18/07/2024 22:01

Well private school didn't do Harry any good did it, he's as thick as shit.

PoliteCritic · 18/07/2024 22:13

@Bazinga007 that is a horrible way to talk about a real person.
It is true that the academic achievements of the Royal family members tend to be low. But you reveal what you really think of people with low educational achievement with what you say.

JustAnotherDadOf2 · 18/07/2024 22:30

Why? What point are you actually trying to make here? If youre in favour of abolishing the royals, then just say so, and I'm with you. But what does this actually accomplish?

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 18/07/2024 22:31

It would never happen... but I'd love to see what would happen in our local school if it suddenly had to educate the royal children...

I wonder if the toilets would still be trashed daily? If the classroom trashers would be tackled (literally)? Or maybe the 70% of the school that's been closed since September 2023 due to RAAC/asbestos would be miraculously rebuilt and opened up again?

I don't begrudge anyone anything... but my god the state of state education is a disgrace in this country. It's grossly unfair how many, many kids just don't stand a chance of getting a good education.

Grammarnut · 18/07/2024 22:46

PoliteCritic · 18/07/2024 19:37

It costs far more than £1.50 a year. That £1.50 does not include the cost of security. Republic's own research shows the true annual cost of the monarchy is at least £345m annually.

'Republic's' not biased at all. Where are their figures, and where does that £345M come from? If it's from the Crown Estate, that belongs to the sovereign, it does not belong to the taxpayer. It is loaned to the state at the start of every reign and reverts to the sovereign on the death of the previous monarch (the sovereign never dies).
I don't think you read anything I wrote. The Crown Estate (this is the sovereign's own property - see above) provides what is now known as the Sovereign Grant, which pays for all the RF does publicly and for the upkeep of places like Buckingham Palace (which is owned by the state, not the king, and is an office more than a residence). Everything else they have comes from their private fortunes (which are large but not enormous). It's the security that costs us individually £1.50 a year. Seems a bargain, much cheaper than M. Macron or Mr Biden.

cupcaske123 · 18/07/2024 22:51

Grammarnut · 18/07/2024 22:46

'Republic's' not biased at all. Where are their figures, and where does that £345M come from? If it's from the Crown Estate, that belongs to the sovereign, it does not belong to the taxpayer. It is loaned to the state at the start of every reign and reverts to the sovereign on the death of the previous monarch (the sovereign never dies).
I don't think you read anything I wrote. The Crown Estate (this is the sovereign's own property - see above) provides what is now known as the Sovereign Grant, which pays for all the RF does publicly and for the upkeep of places like Buckingham Palace (which is owned by the state, not the king, and is an office more than a residence). Everything else they have comes from their private fortunes (which are large but not enormous). It's the security that costs us individually £1.50 a year. Seems a bargain, much cheaper than M. Macron or Mr Biden.

Edited

Charles is a billionaire.

PoliteCritic · 18/07/2024 23:29

The security does not cost us £1.50 a year though. That is simply the cost of the sovereign grant. A small amount of the overall expenditure.
The Sovereign Grant does not include the cost of security for the royal family.

Wantthisfriend · 18/07/2024 23:30

Ridiculous. And petty.

ForGreyKoala · 18/07/2024 23:59

What has it got to do with you where they educate their children? Would you like someone to start a thread about where you should send yours? This may be news to you, but the Royal children are not yours, and being a taxpayer doesn't mean you get a say. Hmm

Bubbles90 · 19/07/2024 01:16

NO and the schools they attend are not paid for by the taxpayer. Nor are private schools funded by tax payers. In actual fact Britsh parents pay for 2 lots of education, private and state and they dont get the state payment refunded. And I can assure you that it's not a given that parents who send their kids private are snobs. You get snobs everywhere, including in state schools. The RF have the right to send their kids to whichever school they want. It's none of your business.

PoliteCritic · 19/07/2024 01:19

The taxpayers pay for everything. The Duchy was supposed to pay for everything, that is why they were given the money from it. But they took that, and asked for more.

wordler · 19/07/2024 01:37

PoliteCritic · 19/07/2024 01:19

The taxpayers pay for everything. The Duchy was supposed to pay for everything, that is why they were given the money from it. But they took that, and asked for more.

Links to show evidence this is the case please.

Also which Duchy are you referring to - for which royals?

PoliteCritic · 19/07/2024 01:45

"The duchy was created with the express purpose of providing income to the heir apparent to the throne;"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Cornwall

Irridescantshimmmer · 19/07/2024 04:05

Cangar · 17/07/2024 15:47

This is obviously a non starter for a number of reasons but why would security be harder at a state school?

Royal Children could become a target for a multitude of reasons, besides their security would need to be off the scale.

I don't think it would ever happen because a state school education could not prepare them for their future.

Cocoda · 19/07/2024 04:27

Precipice · 17/07/2024 15:47

There shouldn't be "royal" children at all. The UK should become a democracy.

Just to enlighten you .. we ARE a democracy!! 🥴🙄🤣😅

CurlsnSunshinetime4tea · 19/07/2024 05:54

like it or not they are a very wealthy family and kidnapping blackmail threats would be extremely difficult to control without some form of gatekeeping.
again like it or not due to their family history and wealthy they need a tailored education that balances future safety, and future mental health, the need for employment income is probably unnecessary for a few more generations.
a six year old couldn't and shouldn't be in a position where classmates beg him for money or be blamed for events out of their control.

Islandgirl68 · 19/07/2024 06:38

The tax payer does not pay for their private schooling, so they have every right to spend their money how they wish. And the UK is a democracy, if the monarchy ended tomorrow, we would still have a Labour government and nothing would change.