Donald trump!!

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Just nearly got assasinated!!!

I agree - I cannot believe the 'glee' and approbation about his 'near miss' - I reported one post but nothing is being done about this thread.
It is obscene and ill-befits the 'be kind' mumsnet which has descended into a nest of left-wing vipers wishing harm on anyone who does not join their group-think.

The normalisation of attacks on Farage is really bad. (See also the attacks on KJK, other women). The idea that you can label someone a fascist and that justifies anything is really scary and wrong.

David Amess is an interesting one because his stabbing prompted a lot of talk about kindness in the media, dialling down toxic rhetoric etc. Except his attacker was an extreme Islamist so almost certainly NOT motivated by the rhetoric around Brexit etc.

Its important to be able to talk about bad things, or people doing bad things, or controversial subjects without being shut down for "stochastic terrorism" or "divisive rhetoric". At the same time, some things need to be considered of limit like "kill all Nazi's, also that person over there is a Nazi". I think we used to know where the line was but as everything becomes more tribal and polarised its disappearing.

Oh dear. Universities are run by their managers, the most prominent of which are their Vice-Chancellors (what % of these do you think are Marxists? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_chancellors_and_vice-chancellors_of_British_universities&diffonly=true)

The BBC director general is Tory, the global head of news is an ex-ITN journalist with no history of any lefty political activism.

Waterstones is owned by a capital fund management company, not known for their leftwing ideology.

Our utility companies, railways, parts of our NHS, our media, banks, stock exchange, gas and oil etc are all privately owned. Yet you think lefty's are running things?

The polarisation comes from social media. 20 or 30 years ago it wasn't so prevalent, so you'd have to express views to someone's face. Which many people wouldn't have dreamt of doing in such extreme terms. SM has totally created echo chambers which are really quite problematic and encourage fanaticism/discourage critical thinking.

It is nothing to do with "left wing vipers".

I'm as left wing as they come, and have condemned the attack on Trump as many other left wing posters have. As any decent person would.

There are always a few extreme voices when these things happen. I remember some vile comments being made online by far right sympathisers when Jo Cox was killed as well. And Trump himself saw fit to make jokes about the horrific hammer attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband.

The vast majority of people on the left and on the right will condemn all political violence as wrong. Please don't try to use this horrible incident to score political points against the left. It really isn't a left/right issue.

One centimetre to the right and he would have been. Do you not understand how close that bullet came to killing him?

I only read the first page of this thread and was unsurprised to see the Trump Deranged people dismissing the event - literally saying it hasn't happened.

I despair of people and their hatred and all the while claiming some moral high ground.

The Democrats have a lot to answer for in inciting this level of hatred for Trump - constantly referring to him as Hitler etc. He has literally been President before and nothing bad happened! What is it people think he will do? I genuinely think people are deranged about Trump.

I completely agree with you BionicBadger, it’s shocking!

Both sides are equally guilty of this sort of politics so it's completely unfair to dump it all at the door of the democrats. It seems to be the problem with US politics, any nuance or cooperation across the aisle in underreported or no longer happening at all? People are just being pushed to extremes and that won't end well for anyone.

You're probably one of those people who drives an ugly SUV for "safety", yet you're acting like a bullet passing within an inch of someone's brain is no big deal.

I can’t stand Trump and his ideas, but I abhor anyone who thinks that the way to deal with it is to resort to violence. Same with Farange, I cannot stand him but at the same time think it is disgusting when he has been physically attacked, I don’t care which side people support, resorting to violence in any form flies in the face of democracy.

Ironically all it does is make people more entrenched in their views and increases support for the person that’s been attacked.

What I find crazy is the fact that American society allows people to purchase assault rifles. That the Republicans in particular are very pro gun ownership and anti regulation, creating a situation whereby the former president and Republican leader is almost killed, and yet the first reaction after the fear, is to chant USA and scream fuck you into the cameras. I doubt many Trump supporters will stop to think, hmm maybe we should look at guns in our society and make it harder for people to obtain them.

I find it quite frightening how polarised American society is and the level of hysteria on both sides. I just can’t see that the physical violence and violent rhetoric is going to end anytime soon. And this makes me worry, a superpower like that with so much instability within their society and government.

I can see Trump going on to win the election now, especially with the questions over Bidens capability to lead. I would love for both parties to condemn violence and try and bring their society together ahead of the election but I’m not sure it will happen

Trump isn't the existential threat to the world people think he is.

2017,2018,2019 my life was perfectly fine thanks.

I don't think he's a good person, but he's not going to bring about another world war.

The fact that your life was fine doesn't matter a jot to anyone else though does it?

"Liberal" is not a term that should be applied to the political left. The two are polar opposites.

If you stopped binge-watching American TV shows, you would understand that.

Well they can thcream and thcream when he gets elected. So much for democracy. As long as its the right kind. There will be marches and demos. He is a survivor.

You find that more laughable than those saying that it's a faked PR stunt?

I find the PR stunt theory highly unlikely because the shooter is dead and it appears that at least one innocent bystander is too.

I find the FBI/Secret Service theory unlikely, but only because Trump is not actually dead. Not because I don't believe they would ever do that at the behest of the current administration.

He's a complete fucking chancer. He's rotten. But they're entitled to elect him if they see fit and he should absolutely not have been shot.

There is an irony in saying "so much for democracy" in response to this assassination attempt when you reflect back on the Capitol riots and Trump's claims that the last election was "stolen" from him. He doesn't seem to like democracy much himself.

Notwithstanding that, the overwhelming majority of those who oppose Trump have come out to condemn the attack on him last night. Let's not try to pretend otherwise.

That's the big worry for me now

I think this kind of thing is what's wrong with US politics, or the presidential races at least. A pithy, amusing slogan that's memorable but asks nothing of a candidate. It's showbiz, it doesn't require integrity or intelligence, or question someone's ability to run a global superpower. If that's all that's required to get elected, it's extremely worrying.

It’s awful to see that type of post I agree with you

Internet bluster but still

Makes me wonder how different things would be if, in 2016, instead of spending all their energy just to bash Trump, if the Democrats had treated him as any other rival nominee?

people need to stop with the hysterical rhetoric. A few days ago a democrat called Trump Hitler. Chants of "get rid of Trump at any cost"
Same has happened with Farage.
They might be right wing politicians but they're not as extreme as the hysteria would
have you believe.

What did Trump do during his presidency that majorly fed up the world?

There was peace in the middle east.