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The BBC are reporting that there are Labour mps calling for the new government to scrap the limit of 2 children on child benefit

I'm working class and have family members who have had, 7, 5 and several 4 kids. Neither parent worked and the fact that each child got benefit encouraged them to have more, even though they really could not afford it.

so Labour mps want to encourage people who struggle, and those who don't actually, to have more kids...with the impact on the state, housing in the future and the environment..discuss

Hmm perhaps they had them pre 2017? Then each kid you had brought in about £400 a month extra

Oh don't be dim. Their biggest supporters are comfy mc socialists.

1.Good, about time, less than 5% of land is built on

2.You want to build some more prisons and spend £££ making criminals more likely to reoffend?

Or actually give them a meal?

Tbf a lot of my friends from Ghana don't like Nigerians. My friends from South Nigeria, don't like white people. Christians are slaughtered daily, my friends who have obviously disabled children dare not visit home because they would be under threat. Like every continent it has its share of bigotry. But lucky you. The institute for healing memories is doing a lot of work and there's just been a conference held in Durban for the United reform/Presbyterian church, attended by global pastors (a good friend of mine is a Pastor). So perhaps open your own thinking in line with the work being done to open people's thinking and not make assumptions about one another.

Rachel Reeves made it clear there wasn’t the money to change this, so it probably won’t happen. MPs are always calling for things to be changed.🤷‍♀️

How can increasing the number of prisons make people more likely to offend? Your comment makes absolutely no sense at all.

Oh and I haven’t heard any mention of Labour taking any action against second home ownership or short term holiday lets or against private equity firms to prevent them from buying up British housing. But never mind as long as we can build tons of housing all over the countryside I guess it doesn’t matter 🙄

This is a sign of things to come.

The welfare state will balloon even further, higher taxes, higher public spending.

It’s not like nu Labour didn’t already create a huge dependent class and Tories didn’t make it worse. Now we need this labour government to fi be ish the job.

Less than half the population are net contributors and living off other people. Yeah, let’s just take more money off the ever shrinking number of eh contributors and give to those who keep having kids without ever considering how to pay for them.

The solution to that is for businesses to pay workers a wage they can live on rather than paying the bosses more money than anyone could possibly need.

Wanting higher taxes on mn is par for the course. Usually other people paying, the ask is endless

Starmer repeatedly said during the election campaign that scrapping the two child benefit cap is not a priority. And so it came to pass - with him also removing the whip from 7 of his own MPs, showing quite a ruthless streak. So it's hardly a fuck up, is it? Labour Leader true to his word doesn't make headlines though, does it?

He always said he'd prioritise the economy first and foremost. Only once we're in a better state financially will he look at the benefits system. Seems pretty sensible to me. Plus, removing the cap is tinkering at the edges. He'll be looking to effect longer term, and lasting, social reform.

Sorry I can’t discuss till you have given me the word count and how you like the references presented. When do you need it handed in by?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c978m6z3egno

The confusion probably arises because the last 3 or 4 Prime Ministers have campaign on one manifesto and then mostly ignored that when they have been in office, flip flopping all over the place to appease different groups of their backbenchers.

Then maybe Starmer has taken his first crucial step towards his stated goal of putting people's trust back in politicians. For him, this wasn't so much about unity in the Labour Party as it was about demonstrating integrity - and that contrary to what the Tories would have had us believe, he's no pushover. Mind you, with his massive majority, it's really easy to demonstrate strength.

I mean, at the moment virtually no one is having children and that's a crisis in itself, primary schools are closing and we don't know who is going to pay tax in the future (at the moment the plan is immigrants).

Being a net contributor isn't the be all and end all. People contribute to society in various ways. Carers for example are paid peanuts and would not be net contributors, but they contribute enormously to the functioning of society and people's quality of life. Teachers dont earn enough to be net contributors but they ensure people can read and write. One could argue that these people who aren't net contributors aren't actually being paid fairly, and that there is too much of a difference between the highest and lowest paid.

Sick of people banging on about 'taking more than they give' when the majority of people who are net contributors are being paid more than they deserve, and contribute very little to society besides bare money.

There was an MP last year (now an ex MP) extolling the idea that if we educated girls less they would be more likely to stay home and have babies. Perhaps that is something to pursue?

Well that's been the grand scheme in many backwards countries such as those in the middle east for centuries.

Meanwhile back in the real world, where stuff has to be paid for…..

Please put your Mickey Mouse calculator away, where everything can be paid for by warm and fuzzy platitudes. The adults still have to make the numbers balance so that the fantasists can have their freebies without the country turning into Venezuela.

Stop trying to be provocative with parroted insults. Do you not think teachers and carers contribute to society? What about nurses, who are also not net contributors? What they contribute is of value, and they are not fairly paid. They're effectively taking a pay cut to provide essential services, largely because they are mostly women. If you don't like the current government you can lump it, anyway. They're going to be here for a while. 😊

Rude. Was that really necessary?

There's no point having workers come here who cost us more money.
That is financial destitution for a country.

Do you actually know what happened in parliament yesterday? You may want to look it up. The current government made the right call yesterday. Isn’t it great.

That isn’t what happens. Immigration tends to be fiscally positive.