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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
wilteddandelion · 10/07/2024 19:24

Can you not just say if she messages again, "Sorry, actually just going for a quiet night with OH, but maybe another time." and use it any time she pesters until she stops asking?

ZebraD · 10/07/2024 19:28

If she asks if you are going to the pub just say no. And if you go and she is there having asked you don’t owe her an explanation. If you have other friends there go and talk to them. Just a short smile from afar and carry on talking to someone else quickly.
I would distance yourself so that you are not tarred with the same brush. She sounds awful!

Calliopespa · 10/07/2024 19:29

wilteddandelion · 10/07/2024 19:24

Can you not just say if she messages again, "Sorry, actually just going for a quiet night with OH, but maybe another time." and use it any time she pesters until she stops asking?

I’m afraid I’d probably opt for this - cowardly as it may seem.

I just can’t imagine saying to someone IRL I don’t want to play with you. I’d feel about 5.

ZebraD · 10/07/2024 19:29

Ps, what does your DH say…he is obviously there to witness it….

venus7 · 10/07/2024 19:29

housethatbuiltme · 10/07/2024 18:29

The fact you use phrases like 'manic' indicate that you are aware there are the symptoms of and even using the terminology of mental health issues. Things like hyperactivity, loudness, pressured speech (talking over and jump quickly), paranoia, anxiety and isolation are all normal parts of mania/hypermania and not something a person can control.

Being racist, classist and torturing animals is just personality though and its for that reason I wouldn't want to be friends with them not because of mental health.

'Being racist' is not 'just personality'.

biscuitandcake · 10/07/2024 19:29

CollyBobble · 10/07/2024 16:40

What are the chances of there being a transgender person in a remote pub?

Why didn't you ask her or her partner what the matter was as from your description she sounded high.

Even if there were, its still really odd behaviour to announce it loudly.

She sounds like she does have genuine MH issues. As others have said though, that's really not your problem in this instance. So I would just not arrange to meet up with her. I doubt it will destroy your reputation in the village - they probably know what she is like.

Devonbabs · 10/07/2024 19:37

LostTheMarble · 10/07/2024 15:44

Obviously you don’t like her, and with 5 miles between you she’s pretty easy to avoid.

Have to say though, the opening post is hitting almost every MN frothing bingo.

If the DH has a hobby, I’m calling “house” lol

Floorbard · 10/07/2024 19:46

I’d tell her I don’t want to be her friend because she’s a sad bigot. Also her behaviour at the pub screams cokehead

Tartantotty · 10/07/2024 19:46

Sounds like she has very few friends and has latched on to you. It also appears she has mental issues. And never read a book? What's that all about?

All the above advice is right. Personally, I'd not reply instantly to her messages and be very vague about your movements when you do. Be busy with other stuff - even if it's a white lie (friends staying, tennis night, evening class, unwell, off booze for a while.... etc).

If she does get aggressive cut off all communication.

Allie47 · 10/07/2024 19:47

Just stop replying to her messages, when you see her out and about smile and say 'hello hope you're well, must get on I'm late ' and leave it at that 🤷‍♀️ don't say anything, that'll just cause drama but if you keep responding to her attempts to engage you, she'll keep on doing it!

OnePlumGoose · 10/07/2024 19:49

You sound like you have a hard time saying no to people. Just tell her you think you have diametrically opposed beliefs and opinions and while you're happy to be a friendly neighbour you're inclined to think that you'd rather not pursue a friendship. Tell her that her views make you feel uncomfortable.

Applesandpears23 · 10/07/2024 19:53

Tell her you are trans or thinking about hosting refugees or becoming an animal rights activist.

Ask if she has an open marriage as you fancy her husband.

Maffit · 10/07/2024 19:54

👻

I'd peel her off like a wetsuit... normally I'd advocate telling her straight, but it seems you've tried this and she hasn't responded, because people like this are a) thick skinned and b) love the drama/being a victim.

That other couple who swerved her had the right idea. And if you don't look out, she will isolate you from the nice and bearable people because they'll either think you're genuinely her friend, or they'll just be glad to throw you to her as bait away from them.

I was ready to scream on your behalf when you described her pawing at you, I can just imagine it, and I'd have strong words with my husband if he thought it was okay to sacrifice me to her so he could have a quiet night talking bloke stuff...

You are entitled to choose your own friends!

JohnTheRevelator · 10/07/2024 19:54

OMG she sounds insufferable! I would do my utmost to dodge her in future.

qwertyasdfgzxcv · 10/07/2024 19:56

Just tell her outright that the friendship isn't workinng and if you go to the pub you just want to be with your partner

Maffit · 10/07/2024 19:56

And if you need to escape her, perhaps you could organise a Book Club... 😄

dawngreen · 10/07/2024 20:08

Find her a friend, and once they start talking leave quickly.

Packingcubesqueen · 10/07/2024 20:15

Take a long time to reply to her messages. When you do don’t ask any questions and kept your answers short. Don’t invite her to the pub and if she calls you out say it was last minute decision. She’ll get the hint (probably)

Ariela · 10/07/2024 20:29

OMG don't tell me it is Zoe who has moved from near me to near you and you are in Norfolk? I feel sorry for you.

Zoe was. to put it bluntly, awful, and just as you describe. Can drive but avoids. Dan her husband is normal and perfectly reasonable. Thankfully they sold up and moved away a couple of years ago. I had to endure a final goodbye lunch at the garden centre where with a flourish she presented me with 3 carrier bags of jams and chutneys she had made but wasn't taking with her. Not nice jams/chutneys like mine (I win awards at the local horticultural shows), but poorly set jams that went mouldy.

My advice is just be a busy person, and if she rings to arrange anything she will state 'Can't do Tuesday as I have the dentist' etc so I got used to saying 'sorry got stuff on all week only Tuesday free.'

Whothefuckdoesthat · 10/07/2024 20:29

I know it wasn't about me. I live in a city @Grammarnut you are very funny.

OP - I think it would depend on how much I’d needed to rely on them previously, whether she’s normally a twat but tolerable, how well the DH’s get on (does DH enjoy his company? Would he miss it?) and whether it would cause a huge atmosphere in the pub with everyone else. How was she with the wife of the other couple who left early?

If those things are all a factor and she messages again, I might reply and say something like ‘Zoe, I noticed that you were a bit extra last time we met up, with the laughing at odd times and the asking why to everything when we were all leaving. Is everything ok? Because I know Dan & DH get on well and so I’m happy to meet up as a group every now and again, but I’m quite low key so I struggle a bit when things are quite full on…’ And put the ball back in her court. She might have some issues, realise she has been over the top and tone it right down. Or she might not. But it serves as a warning so she can’t just say that you just blocked her, right out of the blue, and make you sound unreasonable to anyone else in the village who hasn’t had the benefit of her company for the evening. And then, the next time she behaves like a right wing toddler, you can say ‘I don’t want to hurt your feelings but I explained to you that I was struggling with your behaviour and so I think it’s probably best we let DH and Dan meet up without us if they want to spend an evening in the pub talking football. I’m sure you understand’.

time2changeCharlieBrown · 10/07/2024 20:34

I think you need to be honest and direct she sounds like a nightmare
you don’t want to give her any encouragement
if she asks to join you again say sorry but I didn’t really enjoy myself last time and I want to just go with my husband for a date night
and just leave it at that if she asks for more information just ignore
if she asks you face to face because you bump into her
just say were different people and haven’t much in common that’s all

Waffle78 · 10/07/2024 20:35

PurpleChrayn · 10/07/2024 15:37

What is a "pet lip"?

She sounds like an utter lunatic. Just block her and avoid her. You won't be the only one.

When you stick your bottom lip out while doing a sad face. My mam and Nana used to call it a petty lip.

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 10/07/2024 20:36

I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that??

If someone could find a way to do that, they could bottle it and sell it and get very rich.

She sounds like the type who might fall out with you over any perceived slight, so I wouldn’t stress too much about her falling out with you when you actually want her gone. There isn’t an outcome here that will make her happy, so you may as well go for the one most likely to make you happy.

I would distance yourself so that you are not tarred with the same brush.

I’m not normally a fan of this line of argument, but in a small community, you don’t want a scenario where people might be wanting to invite you to a party or a barbecue, but find themselves thinking “Oh, but if we invite OP, that bloody Zoe will tag along and we’ll be stuck with her”. I’d disassociate myself.

Waffle78 · 10/07/2024 20:38

She sounds like she's neuro diverse. She obviously doesn't understand social cue's. Constantly thinking out loud. She can't keep opinions to herself. I'd be surprised someone hasn't slapped her one to shut her up.

Smittenkitchen · 10/07/2024 20:38

Sound awful. If you want to be fairly direct you could say that you don't think you have much in common.