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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
Trixiefirecracker · 10/07/2024 18:21

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:17

It was. Got carried away. Not that moot. In rural areas views on hunting are likely to be very different from those of ex-townies. I live in a county with 6 very famous hunts - the views on any sort of hunting are not what your average city dweller would expect to hear.
Views on immigration are also liable to be very different from some urban ideas, though probably not anti, as immigrant workers keep local wages down re fruit picking etc.

I live very rurally in lakes. Not everyone is pro fox hunting (thank god, there are more humane ways to deal with them for a start) or have your archaic views on immigration, in fact we are massively in trouble round here in the hospitality trade because we told everyone to fuck off.

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:22

RivkaTheBold · 10/07/2024 17:57

Sit down, Nigel. This isn't about you.

I didn't say it was. But OP seems rather narrow-minded in her views. Also not a clue about living in a rural area.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 10/07/2024 18:23

I couldn't just 'be vague' to someone with such abhorrent opinions. Why are you even giving her the time of day?

AngryLikeHades · 10/07/2024 18:23

Parklife? Sounds like she has the IQ of POND LIFE.

girlswillbegirls · 10/07/2024 18:24

OP this story is on the Baby Reendier scale. I would be scared of meeting her again.

I would probably tell if she texts you that it's best if she looks for friends with similar views as you are very different people. Then block.
This probably sounds crazy too but might send a clear message. Good luck, your story is quite horrific x

MMUmum · 10/07/2024 18:24

Pet as in petulant. She sounds mentally unwell, maybe hypomanic, a form of bi polar disorder, very difficult to deal with. If no mh issues then she just sounds very immature

BMW6 · 10/07/2024 18:25

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:14

? What does PARKLIFE mean?

Song Parklife by Blur.

Listen to it and you will get it.

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:25

Trixiefirecracker · 10/07/2024 18:21

I live very rurally in lakes. Not everyone is pro fox hunting (thank god, there are more humane ways to deal with them for a start) or have your archaic views on immigration, in fact we are massively in trouble round here in the hospitality trade because we told everyone to fuck off.

I am not massively a fan myself, but what more humane methods. Gassing and poisoning kill other animals. Shooting has to be able to kill at once - or animal dies slowly of starvation and gangrene. Any sort of trapping is illegal, unless one traps to catch and release elsewhere, which is exporting the problem.

fatphalange · 10/07/2024 18:26

Just don't have anything to do with her any more.
Say 'no' if she asks to tag along on your nights out in future?
Tell her 'not tonight' 'no thank you' 'no' 'no, not after last time which was disastrous' 'haha we'll pass on that, thanks' 'sorry we're on a date night'....pick one. Up to you how diplomatic you want to be.

Trixiefirecracker · 10/07/2024 18:27

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:25

I am not massively a fan myself, but what more humane methods. Gassing and poisoning kill other animals. Shooting has to be able to kill at once - or animal dies slowly of starvation and gangrene. Any sort of trapping is illegal, unless one traps to catch and release elsewhere, which is exporting the problem.

Edited

They get shot round our way but only if they come in to the village. They are good shots though, have to be. Mostly they are left alone though unless they have been at the hens.

Floppyelf · 10/07/2024 18:28

macaroniandcheeze · 10/07/2024 15:30

She sounds like more trouble than she’s worth. Ghost her. Sorry.

this

Threewheeler1 · 10/07/2024 18:28

Ayebutnaw · 10/07/2024 17:57

I fear some are spectacularly missing a pisstake.

I think I've just belatedly clocked...😳
Feel like a bit of a tit now!😬

housethatbuiltme · 10/07/2024 18:29

The fact you use phrases like 'manic' indicate that you are aware there are the symptoms of and even using the terminology of mental health issues. Things like hyperactivity, loudness, pressured speech (talking over and jump quickly), paranoia, anxiety and isolation are all normal parts of mania/hypermania and not something a person can control.

Being racist, classist and torturing animals is just personality though and its for that reason I wouldn't want to be friends with them not because of mental health.

PrincessOlga · 10/07/2024 18:30

She sounds like the nightmare of nightmares. I think you have to just come up with something that might be a complete lie and even sound ridiculous, but will work to keep her away from you forever. Something along the lines of: you have signed up for one of those "spend a year on Mars colony" projects (hence why you came to a rural place) and you have a rule that you can only interact with your husband or a select list of people in the pub/neighbours "who you don't really like" (all a part of the "training"). As you really like her, you are not allowed to include her in your "training circle".... in fact, that night in the pub broke the rules and you know have to start again from Day 0.... Say you "need it for the money as well", retired, blah blah blah...

I know this sounds crazy, but the aim of the game is getting something to work. It has to be radical to start working straight away. Hopefully, someone with a better imagination than I have can come up with something better.

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:32

Hubcapdiamondstarhalo · 10/07/2024 17:47

😂Brilliant! (and thanks for the earworm...)

Parklife = living on the dole. I don't see how it applied to me, and I don't think it applies to people on working tax credit either. It does apply to the rich and well-off who pay low wages and have the worker's income topped up by the state. That's called Speenhamland. Happy to call the rich parklifers, though. Fits them well.

bellocchild · 10/07/2024 18:36

You could get very busy with your book club...

Biggleslefae · 10/07/2024 18:40

I wouldn't need to ask for advice to help me get rid of her.
I'd just follow my instincts!

Nanaof1 · 10/07/2024 18:49

Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

Find somewhere else to go, even if you need to drive. Invite another couple to go with and just ignore her.

Or, you can just be honest and tell her that you like just going out with DH and don't want to add anyone else into the mix. If they show up anyway, just excuse yourselves, make sure there are no extra seats at your table, whatever you need to do. You are entitled to have a nice time out. She sounds like very hard work and I couldn't take it either.

moonshinepoursthroughmywindow · 10/07/2024 18:49

The sensible thing to do would probably be to stop seeing her - turn down invitations, say you are not going to the pub or that you are but it's a date night and you want it to be the two of you, etc, and if she ever asks why you seem to be avoiding her, tell her a polite version of the truth - you don't seem to have much in common, especially politically, and it makes you uncomfortable when she makes personal remarks about other people in their hearing.

What I would probably actually do in that situation is not sensible but it might be fun - just start telling it like (you believe) it is politically, bang on about how much you admire whichever non-right-wing figures you do admire, tell her you're going to an anti-hunting demonstration or thinking of volunteering at a refugee centre. See if you can make yourself so off-putting to someone with her views that she decides to distance herself from you, then you cannot possibly be painted as the bad guy who has cruelly rejected her.

mrlistersgelfbride · 10/07/2024 18:51

I'd leave my husband and move away- but that's extreme!
I think you're going to have to do everything you can to avoid her and mute her messages. If you ever bump into her and she confronts you on it, tell her that you don't enjoy her company.

Biggleslefae · 10/07/2024 18:52

As per @moonshinepoursthroughmywindow I would find it easy and fun to disagree with her & irritate her as much as she did me, she'd soon leave me alone of her own volition.
Send her my way OP😂

Calliopespa · 10/07/2024 19:00

Breadcat24 · 10/07/2024 16:02

Just keep seeing her messages too late to respond. "Oh sorry did not see that you had asked to go out with us"
If you do get stuck in the pub with her again however try to make sure your husbands are involved in the conversation. If that does not work - just say it as it is.
Life is too short to spend time with people you do not like.
"I'm sorry Zoe but we really do not seem to have much in common do we? Probably best if we do not do this again"

I kind of feel, though, that messages like the last paragraph sound reasonable on MN but if I actually imagine seeing it pop up on the screen of my phone my eyes would be like this 😳 … and then this 🥺. It’s pretty brutal and not, in all honesty, an interaction I have ever experienced anything like - as sender or receiver.

JennyJenny8675309 · 10/07/2024 19:15

Calliopespa · 10/07/2024 19:00

I kind of feel, though, that messages like the last paragraph sound reasonable on MN but if I actually imagine seeing it pop up on the screen of my phone my eyes would be like this 😳 … and then this 🥺. It’s pretty brutal and not, in all honesty, an interaction I have ever experienced anything like - as sender or receiver.

It’s unkind, but some people have the skin of a rhinoceros and need the no nonsense approach.

JennyJenny8675309 · 10/07/2024 19:24

I would tell it to her straight. You strongly disagree with her opinions and don’t find her company enjoyable. Yes, I would actually say it. I wouldn’t waste my time (and be wound up) listening to that crap.

PerkyMintDeer · 10/07/2024 19:24

Calliopespa · 10/07/2024 19:00

I kind of feel, though, that messages like the last paragraph sound reasonable on MN but if I actually imagine seeing it pop up on the screen of my phone my eyes would be like this 😳 … and then this 🥺. It’s pretty brutal and not, in all honesty, an interaction I have ever experienced anything like - as sender or receiver.

But presumably this is because you are a reasonable person who doesn't behave in a contentious way and are empathetic.

Zoe doesn't give a shit about anyone except herself...she hates people of other races, enjoys mocking trans people loudly and killing animals for fun, forces her views on her "audience", persists with behaviour that she's aware is making OP uncomfortable, is NC with her own kids...she sounds pretty brutal herself!

I would send that sort of message to Zoe, because I have wasted too many years worrying more about the feelings of people who can't behave in a kind, respectful way than I do my own comfort and enjoyment in life but now I've had enough and I've learned I don't have to entertain people who upset me and disturb my peace of mind.

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