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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
Bobbie1976 · 11/07/2024 19:41

This would be easy for me. Id simply say there is no possible way i can be friends with someone who is pro fox hunting.

SparklyGreyShaker · 11/07/2024 19:45

I would suggest just ask her to stop texting you and you could also add that you don't wan't to keep meeting her. You don't really need to say anymore.

If the other party keeps pushing and won't leave you alone then you could say something more.

TwixOwl · 11/07/2024 19:55

You live five miles apart! Just ignore.

Itsmecathy87 · 11/07/2024 20:12

Just ghost her. She sounds dreadful, I can't stand bigots and idiots that follow social media conspiracy theories

Itsmecathy87 · 11/07/2024 20:13

Aldo can you elaborate on Zoes extreme views? How extreme are they for her to be banned by Facebook? It seems anything goes on that particular SM platform

Lighteningstrikes · 11/07/2024 20:15

It is allowed to have one's own political views.
I really hope you are not one of these newbie townies who try to change countryside ways and living. You need to educate yourself first and foremost.

As for this woman, it's simple, don't respond.

When you bump into her again, if she mentions messaging you, just say you didn't get her message, and repeat as and when necessary. Eventually she will give up.

PepsiMaxPerfect · 11/07/2024 20:16

Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

Find HER somethin 2 do so, she will NOT bother U
> Get HER interested in somethin - like knitting /sawing/chess/ find her a club
Go WITH her 2 a garden centre - get her busy - if she IS gardenin, she is NOT botherin U - U may have 2 look at her work / results & offer opinion. It IS a SMALL price to pay to be free from her.

Happyher · 11/07/2024 20:19

Start dodging. It’s obvious why she has no friends

Kpp2 · 11/07/2024 20:30

I would have to tell her. Sometimes people don’t realise that there behaviour or beliefs are old fashioned (for the want of a better word) erratic or make others feel uncomfortable. Give her something to think about, instead of thinking that you’re just ignoring her for no reason. Be kind but be honest. It’s up to her then

lightisnotwhite · 11/07/2024 20:32

Bobbie1976 · 11/07/2024 19:41

This would be easy for me. Id simply say there is no possible way i can be friends with someone who is pro fox hunting.

Fox hunting with hounds is illegal so there is no pro fox hunting.

Teenagehorrorbag · 11/07/2024 20:35

IDoNotIntroduceTheLog · 10/07/2024 16:04

I'd mute her messages and avoid her.

Go to the pub when you know they're not, and don't tell her when you're going.

If she straight up confronts you, I'd tell her honestly how rude she had acted previously, with factual examples.

Sorry, quoted the wrong post....

Calliopespa · 11/07/2024 20:36

Thefsm · 11/07/2024 18:05

I think I’d actually be blunt. Text “I’m really sorry because I know you want to socialize and the community is small, but we have such very different views on everything and I don’t see any point in continuing a friendship at this time. I hope you find some new friends more suited to you. Best regards, x”

This direct message I actually could imagine sending.

Some of the others are cathartic to draft but just beyond it if it comes to delivering them.

Teenagehorrorbag · 11/07/2024 20:37

cheddercherry · 10/07/2024 15:57

But if she doesn’t go to the pub with anyone else then surely if you go and don’t invite her/ don’t agree she can meet, she won’t be there?

Honestly I don’t like the ghosting culture, I’d rather be honest and say that it was obvious to everyone last night that you didn’t find her behaviour acceptable or her company enjoyable and it’s in everyone’s best interests not to repeat it. She’s downright offensive so why sugarcoat it, if she can dish it out obnoxiously she should be able to take it. Or do people expect to behave outrageously and everyone simply gloss over their antics?

I’m sure the fellow patrons of the pub would thank you.

This!! Just say you don't feel you have anything in common, but thanks anyway. End of.

MrsDouglas · 11/07/2024 20:40

Not too many years ago, people were not diagnosed with the conditions they are today. I am sure "zoe" Is struggling in some way and her "issues" that bothered you have probably been affecting her I lnteractions with others her whole life. No it isnt your job to fix her or tolerate her if you feel burdened, but truly, perhaps the best thing you can do as a decent person is have a totally open honest conversation with her, rather than ghosting her, which would make everyone feel awkward. Good luck with whatever you decide to do x

KarmaKat · 11/07/2024 20:42

If someone wants to be your friend it doesn’t mean you have to.

She sounds awful. The pro fox hunting is enough for me to say ‘I wish you the best but our views are just so grossly different, I can’t see this friendship progressing. All the best’

Absolutelyridiculous · 11/07/2024 20:43

I'd just block her. I used to be kind & nice , but as I'm getting older .retired...I now just block them. I haven't time to waste on making up excuses...and if I don't enjoy the company...why waste rheir time and mine..
Block her...Dont avoid the pub...it's her problem...just say hello....but distance yourself... 👍

ForLovingGreenDog · 11/07/2024 21:03

This is tricky, as you sound like a very nice person who doesn’t want to offend or hurt someone else's feelings, to which I say, good for you! You could always feign some nasty contagious illness, but i don't think that's your style either. If it were me, I'd try repeated excuses about why you weren't able to spend time together. Not that I'm a fan of dishonesty, but this is an issue around your well-being and quality of life, so I would perhaps bring the excuses to life by actually doing the things that your excuses are based on. Maybe take up a new hobby to use up time too, making you unavailable to visit or be visited.

letsallshareanopinion · 11/07/2024 21:04

Calliopespa · 11/07/2024 20:36

This direct message I actually could imagine sending.

Some of the others are cathartic to draft but just beyond it if it comes to delivering them.

I am really not sure this would be a good idea. If you imagine how you'd feel if you received it, it would be really antagonising and difficult to forget, and might cause issues further down the line.

@Justcouldnotbitemytongue I have lived rurally for ten years or so, and have seen many and varied way of people dealing with this sort of thing, and I know someone who sounds familiar to this woman. My advice fwiw is to not burn bridges or be unkind, as this sort of thing can blow up, or be longlasting, or cause disproportionate levels of unhappiness and problems, and I really think diplomacy and kindness is best, and for you to not ghost or play games or be too personal, but to just take each invite or text as it comes. I am curious about why you agreed to go for this drink, as it seems you have decent boundaries and could have predicted how it would go, and in your shoes I would probably have been honest in a diplomatic way so for example said "I am really sorry but I really want to spend time with DH tonight/when we go to the pub, I am really sorry for being antisocial though". But in any event, to deal with things going forward, if she keeps pressing for a coffee or a drink you could say that you aren't great with socialising, if you meet her at the pub you can be friendly and breezy but then keep your distance. You could sit down and go through all your thoughts and feelings about her and then do a list of potential things which might come up and do your plan of action for each so you aren't taken by surprise and agree to anything. It might even be that you could arrange to do something once in a blue moon like go to hers for a coffee, for say 20 mins max and then leave. Or maybe 40 mins to make it more socially acceptable.

Just an insight which might apply to her - it might be that she acted in a manic way, pawing you, talking about other people in the pub, etc, because that is how groups she has joined in the past behaved. That is going to be normal behaviour for some groups. She might have repeated the same word over and over at the end because she thought you were being patronising and it was her way of dealing with an awkward situation. The person I know who sounds similar has never read a book, has some pretty stomach churning views on social issues, and so I can understand your pain. But how you reacted was not great either, and it clearly stressed you out. You can't control her but you can control how you react to her.

The woman I know is similar but she is also hilariously funny if you catch her in the right mood. Curiously enough. She has comedic timing and I have bumped into her before and then cried with laughter at her retelling some seemingly mundane story about some non event at home which then became ridiculous and the way she told it was really, really funny. The magic of the soul and all that.

HelpMeRhondaMe · 11/07/2024 22:21

Pet lip ranks highly in the annoying expressions table. I'd never heard it before but the amount of times it's on this thread is some kind of 'blue sky thinking/annoying expressions' hell.

Why can't you say pouted - one word, same meaning, understood by general populus? Pet lip ffs. I hope to never hear that expression again in my life after the death of this thread.

Plantparent · 11/07/2024 22:24

I would actually say to her that you have a friend/sister/family member who is trans and that her comment really upset you as you have seen first hand how difficult life has been for them. You no longer want to associate with her any more as a result of this. She will be mortified and leave you alone

PollyandOlly · 11/07/2024 22:26

Tell her you're in love with her husband?

PollyandOlly · 11/07/2024 22:27

And you need to keep your distance or you might do something you regret

strawberryteacake · 11/07/2024 22:30

lightisnotwhite · 11/07/2024 20:32

Fox hunting with hounds is illegal so there is no pro fox hunting.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who remember "the good old days".

A poster on this thread wrote: "I support fox hunting (hunting in general...)" I'd call that pro fox hunting.

And people still do hunt foxes.

Hunting and shooting wildlife: Mammals - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 22:35

Pet lip is completely normal parlance, if you didn't know what it meant you could Google it?!

strawberryteacake · 11/07/2024 22:41

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 22:35

Pet lip is completely normal parlance, if you didn't know what it meant you could Google it?!

I googled it and got a whole page of photos of dogs and websites for healing ulcers on dog's lips, etc!