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Help rid me of this weird woman - please!

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Justcouldnotbitemytongue · 10/07/2024 15:26

Apologies this is a bit long 😬. DH & I live in a v remote & rural part of the country, we took early retirement & moved here a few years back. It’s a lovely place & we’re happy & settled. The few (distant) neighbours we have are all nice. Friendly but not too friendly IYSWIM. DH & I go out now & again to the only pub round here & it’s always a good night.

A couple of years ago Zoe & Dan (not their real names) moved here, about five miles from us. He’s ok but I struggle with her. We’re roughly the same age but we have zero in common. She’s very right wing - pro fox hunting/blood sports, hates migrants & people on benefits. She’s not the sharpest pencil in the box & boasts that she’s never read a book in her life. Also believes weird conspiracy theories she reads on Facebook. Can drive but won’t so Dan has to take her everywhere. Consequently she’s stuck in the house a lot as he works part time. We’re chalk & cheese.

She’s started to text me & ask if they can join us in the pub. Hard to say no really - it’s a pub. Plus I know she hasn’t really got anyone else round here & I do (did!) feel a bit sorry for her. Because of the geography there’s a very small pool of potential friends.

Last night was a disaster - worst ever by a mile. She seemed a bit manic/hyper when we got there. I wondered if she was on something but she just kept saying she was excited as she hadn’t been out of the house for ages. At the best of times it’s hard to have an adult conversation with her but last night was terrible. Another couple who were there left as soon as decently possible. The DH’s talk about sport & get on pretty well but it’s impossible to talk as a four which would help dilute her. She just interrupts all the time, talks over them & paws at my arm to get my attention.

I’m pretty patient, & always put forward a reasonable view to balance her almost fascist opinions. Try also to not look at my watch too much. Everything I said last night she just laughed at weirdly & loudly. I asked her what was so funny & she just kept laughing - almost hysterically. It was so embarrassing. Like being back at junior school.

Later a woman was in the pub & sat behind me. Zoe was hyper - again pawing me & saying “look, look!! That’s a man isn’t it? They’re trans aren’t they? Go on look, look now!“ I snapped (v rare) & said a bit too loudly & sharply that she was being really rude & to stop it. She literally put on a pet lip.

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Said goodnights, she said she’d had a lovely time 🙄. Meanwhile we headed in opposite directions. Me seething.

Congratulations if you’ve got this far btw.

Anyway - I couldn’t stand another night like that. So do I say something or do I just keep dodging her & her invites until she gets the message. It’s really spoilt the nice times we used to have there but I am not wasting another evening of my life listening to her spout that rubbish. The trouble is we’re a small community & do rely on each other. I’d also rather not fall out with anyone but how do I get shot of her without doing that?? I absolutely do not want to be friends. She maybe has one other person locally who messages her occasionally but that’s it. She’s NC with two of her three children (or maybe they’re NC with her) if that’s relevant.

So come on - please give me a steer, should I start dodging her messages & making excuses or should I just tell her I don’t enjoy her company?

You are not being unreasonable - start dodging.
You are being unreasonable- just tell her straight.

OP posts:
alrightluv · 11/07/2024 22:45

strawberryteacake · 11/07/2024 22:41

I googled it and got a whole page of photos of dogs and websites for healing ulcers on dog's lips, etc!

Really? Strange as when I googled to get you all a photo was just babies and adults with pet lips?

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 22:54

@strawberryteacake
Really?!

Help rid me of this weird woman - please!
strawberryteacake · 11/07/2024 22:58

Yes, really. I used google as a verb, to describe the act of searching for a term. The actual mode was Bing. HTH.

put on a pet lip - Search (bing.com)

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 23:03

@strawberryteacake I put Google , I meant Google , not random internet search .
There is your error.HTH

strawberryteacake · 11/07/2024 23:06

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 23:03

@strawberryteacake I put Google , I meant Google , not random internet search .
There is your error.HTH

Your user name is very fitting.

Then you should have been aware, if you are going to be a pedant, and pull cheap gotchas! on innocuous comments, that times have moved on.

PS: "Owing to the dominance of the Google search engine,[1] to google has become a transitive verb."

Google (verb) - Wikipedia

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 23:11

@strawberryteacake thanks mate :)
Gutted! I was hoping this was the start of a beautiful friendship ..........🤣

AnnieSnap · 11/07/2024 23:30

Shybutrude · 11/07/2024 22:35

Pet lip is completely normal parlance, if you didn't know what it meant you could Google it?!

And pouted wasn’t used in the UK until relatively recently when it travelled here via American films!

Isinglass20 · 11/07/2024 23:31

She comes to the pub. You leave. She calls round. Stand there and say uh uh in response. She grabs your arm, you say Do you mind and take her hand off. Do not interact. Look at your phone all the time. Get up in the middle of her tirade and talk to the barmaid. Ignore ignore ignore. Don’t look at her. You are too polite. Yawn noisily. Sneeze noisily. Cough.

PerkyMintDeer · 11/07/2024 23:31

Just here to say that I have never in my life until this thread heard of the term "pet lip".

I'm an academic in an area where it really should have come up before now - not sure how I missed it! It seems to be most widely used in the North East from what I've just read. I could, of course, hazard a guess the meaning and it turned out to be right - a childish sort of pout. For some irrational reason though, I really don't like the term...gets my heckles up a bit and I won't be using it!

Every day is a school day.

Woofie7 · 11/07/2024 23:31

Zimunya · 10/07/2024 15:46

She sounds unwell, but that's not your problem. I wouldn't confront her, but as another poster has said, be very busy!

I was thinking this too. Or addictions.
but that’s not your responsibility.
maybe a quiet coffee and chat asking her a bit about her history see what you find . If you can bear it.

DiduAye · 12/07/2024 00:25

Just be straight with her We having nothing in common Zoe so nothing on which to build a friendship Tell her that then have no more to do with her

NavyTurtle · 12/07/2024 01:53

So she was obnoxious, horrible and not a nice human. Why pussyfoot around her? Next time she texts, just say 'no thanks'. You do not have to explain yourself to her. If she doesn't like it, tough, so what, you are not seeking her approval. I always tell it like it is, makes life a lot easier, you owe her nothing. Cannot see why for one second why you want her for a friend.

NavyTurtle · 12/07/2024 02:10

Grammarnut · 10/07/2024 18:17

It was. Got carried away. Not that moot. In rural areas views on hunting are likely to be very different from those of ex-townies. I live in a county with 6 very famous hunts - the views on any sort of hunting are not what your average city dweller would expect to hear.
Views on immigration are also liable to be very different from some urban ideas, though probably not anti, as immigrant workers keep local wages down re fruit picking etc.

Good god, you still going.

NavyTurtle · 12/07/2024 02:20

wilteddandelion · 10/07/2024 19:24

Can you not just say if she messages again, "Sorry, actually just going for a quiet night with OH, but maybe another time." and use it any time she pesters until she stops asking?

Why on earth do you have to say sorry and pussyfoot around her. She was blatant with her views, you can just say NO. I really don't understand why people are suggesting you lie, why are people so scared 'not to be rude'. She was. Just tell her to fuck off. You are not responsible for her feelings as she had no concerns for yours.

NavyTurtle · 12/07/2024 02:24

Lighteningstrikes · 11/07/2024 20:15

It is allowed to have one's own political views.
I really hope you are not one of these newbie townies who try to change countryside ways and living. You need to educate yourself first and foremost.

As for this woman, it's simple, don't respond.

When you bump into her again, if she mentions messaging you, just say you didn't get her message, and repeat as and when necessary. Eventually she will give up.

So you want people to educate themselves but you are also advising OP to lie saying you didn't get her messages. Mixed message here. Just grow a pair and tell her to fuck off, probably the same as what I would say to you with your superior view.

NavyTurtle · 12/07/2024 02:27

Doubledenim305 · 11/07/2024 18:02

Just ignore her.
Don't tell her straight.

Or just grow a pair and tell her to fuck off. Oh how I cannot tolerate weak people.

paywalled · 12/07/2024 06:10

Fast forward to the end of the night & I said we were heading home. Why? She asked. Because it’s nearly midnight & I live there I replied. Why? She again asked. Why do I live at home or why is it midnight? Why she just repeated “why”. On a loop. Whenever I said anything she just said why. I snapped again & said FFS Zoe you’re acting like a fucking toddler. Pet lip again.

Fucking hell, she’s a woman child who never grew up. Relying on her DH for everything and being NC with her children are the symptoms of it.

Definitely take a big step back and be vague.

Backtolondonplease · 12/07/2024 07:21

It probably won't help you sever the unwanted ties, but it may help you to understand what is going on with Zoe - from what you say, she is exhibiting classic Autistic behaviour. The hyperness you mentioned, followed by repeatedly saying a word is classic of shutdown where the brain is not coping with normal interaction anymore. Boundaries often aren't there, and extreme views rigidly clung to.
I have had a lot to do with persons with mild autism and many have behaved exactly as Zoe does. I appreciate it is very uncomfortable but I might also suggest not to be unkind - avoidance , with kind but non interactive attitude may work - her attitude will possibly turn very bitter and will start to savage you behind your back, unfortunately.
They are persons of high anxiety ( difficult to see) very lonely as they do tend to alienate people so have few friends and cling to those they 'have' - until things go wrong!

Sorry not helpful, really, at all!!!

MrsDouglas · 12/07/2024 07:33

Backtolondonplease · 12/07/2024 07:21

It probably won't help you sever the unwanted ties, but it may help you to understand what is going on with Zoe - from what you say, she is exhibiting classic Autistic behaviour. The hyperness you mentioned, followed by repeatedly saying a word is classic of shutdown where the brain is not coping with normal interaction anymore. Boundaries often aren't there, and extreme views rigidly clung to.
I have had a lot to do with persons with mild autism and many have behaved exactly as Zoe does. I appreciate it is very uncomfortable but I might also suggest not to be unkind - avoidance , with kind but non interactive attitude may work - her attitude will possibly turn very bitter and will start to savage you behind your back, unfortunately.
They are persons of high anxiety ( difficult to see) very lonely as they do tend to alienate people so have few friends and cling to those they 'have' - until things go wrong!

Sorry not helpful, really, at all!!!

Yes this is exactly what I was trying to say in my post last night x

Meandspottydogs · 12/07/2024 07:56

Omg I can relate! Also in a small rural community, most neighbours are pleasant and helpful, but there is also one here, I won't expand and detract from your thread but your Zoe sounds profoundly immature, I wish you well in establishing boundaries! My "Zoe" ignores hints, and tries to bulldoze boundaries its a nightmare

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 08:23

letsallshareanopinion · 11/07/2024 21:04

I am really not sure this would be a good idea. If you imagine how you'd feel if you received it, it would be really antagonising and difficult to forget, and might cause issues further down the line.

@Justcouldnotbitemytongue I have lived rurally for ten years or so, and have seen many and varied way of people dealing with this sort of thing, and I know someone who sounds familiar to this woman. My advice fwiw is to not burn bridges or be unkind, as this sort of thing can blow up, or be longlasting, or cause disproportionate levels of unhappiness and problems, and I really think diplomacy and kindness is best, and for you to not ghost or play games or be too personal, but to just take each invite or text as it comes. I am curious about why you agreed to go for this drink, as it seems you have decent boundaries and could have predicted how it would go, and in your shoes I would probably have been honest in a diplomatic way so for example said "I am really sorry but I really want to spend time with DH tonight/when we go to the pub, I am really sorry for being antisocial though". But in any event, to deal with things going forward, if she keeps pressing for a coffee or a drink you could say that you aren't great with socialising, if you meet her at the pub you can be friendly and breezy but then keep your distance. You could sit down and go through all your thoughts and feelings about her and then do a list of potential things which might come up and do your plan of action for each so you aren't taken by surprise and agree to anything. It might even be that you could arrange to do something once in a blue moon like go to hers for a coffee, for say 20 mins max and then leave. Or maybe 40 mins to make it more socially acceptable.

Just an insight which might apply to her - it might be that she acted in a manic way, pawing you, talking about other people in the pub, etc, because that is how groups she has joined in the past behaved. That is going to be normal behaviour for some groups. She might have repeated the same word over and over at the end because she thought you were being patronising and it was her way of dealing with an awkward situation. The person I know who sounds similar has never read a book, has some pretty stomach churning views on social issues, and so I can understand your pain. But how you reacted was not great either, and it clearly stressed you out. You can't control her but you can control how you react to her.

The woman I know is similar but she is also hilariously funny if you catch her in the right mood. Curiously enough. She has comedic timing and I have bumped into her before and then cried with laughter at her retelling some seemingly mundane story about some non event at home which then became ridiculous and the way she told it was really, really funny. The magic of the soul and all that.

Edited

That seems an awful lot of effort to go to to avoid offending a woman you might run into once in a while. What is it you think she’s going to do if OP’s message offends her - have OP and her husband run out of the village with pitchforks? OP has lived there longer than Zoe, apart from anything else!

HotChocolateNotCocoa · 12/07/2024 08:31

lightisnotwhite · 11/07/2024 20:32

Fox hunting with hounds is illegal so there is no pro fox hunting.

Pro as in “in favour of”, not as in “professional”.

AmIEnough · 12/07/2024 08:50

I’d say she’s forgotten to take her ADHD meds.. You are not being unreasonable, she sounds awful!

verdantverdure · 12/07/2024 09:07

Tell her you can't come to the pub because you're up early with the local Hunt Sabs.

Backtolondonplease · 12/07/2024 09:07

Backtolondonplease · 12/07/2024 07:21

It probably won't help you sever the unwanted ties, but it may help you to understand what is going on with Zoe - from what you say, she is exhibiting classic Autistic behaviour. The hyperness you mentioned, followed by repeatedly saying a word is classic of shutdown where the brain is not coping with normal interaction anymore. Boundaries often aren't there, and extreme views rigidly clung to.
I have had a lot to do with persons with mild autism and many have behaved exactly as Zoe does. I appreciate it is very uncomfortable but I might also suggest not to be unkind - avoidance , with kind but non interactive attitude may work - her attitude will possibly turn very bitter and will start to savage you behind your back, unfortunately.
They are persons of high anxiety ( difficult to see) very lonely as they do tend to alienate people so have few friends and cling to those they 'have' - until things go wrong!

Sorry not helpful, really, at all!!!

Having said all that - very wisely :)) - it's possible Zoe is a perfectly neurotypical person with obnoxious views and has never had any social training as to sensitivity in keeping said views quiet in the presence of others who do not share them - I have met of people like that, especially when a meet is on in our village (BTW, I was born in the country, lived there most of my life and back living here after a short spate with London flexible thinking and humour, which I Ioved, and have VERY compassionate views on antifox hunting, migrants etc, etc) - in which case I would be inclined to politely tell her that I did not share her views and felt extremely uncomfortable in hearing her voice them - she may either keep quiet and nights out will be bearable, or completely shun you.

It is NOT easy to detect if a person is neruodiverse or simply horrible

I feel sorry for you, not a pleasant place to be in - all the very best :)

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