To wonder why it's so controversial to talk about white behaviour throughout history?

[BeachParty]

It's an interesting discussion to have, and makes you think.
Why do so many immediately go into "how dare you!" mode or "why are you being racist towards white people?!"
Instead of actually listening to what people are saying? History is whitewashed in this country, we usually learn it from a "hero" viewpoint.

I think this is particularly important. I’ve read that the people who made money in the 18th and 19th century still have that wealth now. People didn’t benefit if they were agricultural workers, or working in the cotton mills, or press ganged, or bought when little and sent up chimneys. There was mass unemployment and poverty after Waterloo when there were no more wars to be fought and a series of disastrous harvests. Doesn’t it make more sense to stand up for the poor, of all colours? There’s more inequality now than any time since the mid 18th century. That’s what should be discussed, imv. I’m tempted to give my racial credentials but I really want to emphasise the misery that poverty has always endured

Still patiently waiting for OP to actually define White Behaviour. Both in a modern context and in the context of historical behaviours.

Can't wait. Ready to be educated 🤓

Agree and I'm non white.
The things done to children and animals in those countries till this day, special places in hell and that.

Well this went well lol a lot of outrage on what was only a bloody question but no of course let's all jump to "but what about other races doing it" or "you are clearly racist" looks like a lot of "how dare you bring it up" to me lol I'm white btw before anyone starts thinking I'm being racist towards my own race. It's fucking ridiculous on here sometimes

Maybe you can enlighten us. What is white behaviour?

Yes, some of the comments are just kind of proving the point lol (and others are actually thought provoking and interesting)
Trying to ignore the "whataboutery" posts and the "I'm all ears, I'm waiting!" 🙄😁

If you feel this way I suggest you give op a massive apology for your white behaviour and for oppressing her as this is what the op has stated

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It's very hard to comment on your post as unfortunately white people don't have the privilege that other races have of open speech. Like if a white person said black behaviour in the context you used we would be blocked and banned from mumsnet

Here is an update quote from the OP to what she wishes to discuss.
I was hoping for a discussion about stuff like how why can't we discuss how people who are white have oppressed/oppress people who are black in the past

It is discussed and debated numerous times and in numerous places daily. Online forums like this, Education establishments, Religious places etc etc.
It is universally agreed that some white people persecuted some black people. So I suppose the simplest answer to the OP would be, it is discussed and your claim is false.

What race are you OP?

People are saying "I'm waiting" because you have thus far failed to actually answer any questions about your view. If you're going to post goady, inflammatory threads about anything race related, the least you could do is have the actual data, knowledge and understanding of what you're posting about to engage in the discussion you wanted to have. So far you only seem interested in engaging with people who mindlessly agree with you?

Discussion where everyone agrees with you is what's called an echo chamber. Surely you should want alternative opinions to bounce off?

Discussion where everyone agrees with you is what's called an echo chamber. Surely you should want alternative opinions to bounce off?

I don't want an echo chamber, I like reading other views as well.
There's some interesting, thought provoking posts buried in the posts.

It's racist because your bringing skin colour into it.... people didn't do these things merely because they were white... the Romans took over just about every bit of land they touched. They did it because they were colonial not white.

No one is excusing what has been done to various people by colonialists but....

At the same time how long are "white people" meant to carry this colonial badge of shame?

We didn't enslave anybody at all, the people who did are long dead. The lesson is important and therefore it is important it is passed down in history but what is not ok is to say it's because they were "white" it's stereotyping and quite frankly untrue.

Don't feed the bear...

I disagree that it's controversial. I think for the past 30+ years all anyone has talked about is how evil white people are (white guilt/white tears). I'd say it's far more controversial to mention that other races have been just as "evil", if not more so, than white people. However, I don't think it does much good to talk about generalisations about groups of people at all, if we talk about the Mongolian empire I'm sure many Mongolians suffered just as much as anyone else during that period. Thinking of the atrocities in China being inflicted on Muslims in camps at this very moment, no one really blames ALL Asians or even ALL Chinese people surely? Critical Race Theory has, in my opinion, taken race relations right back.

Maybe try keeping a hold of your old tin foil hat instead of trying to presumably troll hunt ... 🙄

Everyone talks about white history, usually derogatory comments but discussed nevertheless.
I would say people don’t talk about it because
a. They aren’t interested in history
b. They weren’t there at the time so the behaviour is irrelevant now as we’ve moved on.
What part of history are white British portrayed hero’s and black British are not?

Agree. The Arabian Slave-trade hardly ever gets mentioned and I don't know why:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabslavee_trade

I think a is true, a lot of people aren't so it's just not on their radar or something that they ever have to think about so don't.
With b though I don't think it's irrelevant as we should be aware of it and past history.

We absolutely should pass on through history what happens when a country get a "colonial" mindset.

One could say with some certainty that we are currently experiencing it in 2 well reported on conflicts, but giben the differences in skin colour between the 2 conflicts. One can come to see that acctually skin colour plays no role. It's about greed and power, that is what colonialism is. It's evil in all it's forms.

Is more factual to state countries such Britain, France, Portugal and Spain colonised much of the world. Or perhaps Britain isn't the right terms as England colonised Ireland, Wales and Scotland - they lost their native language etc

@BeachParty

I don't think it's remotely 'whataboutery' to ask you to define 'white behaviour' so this discussion can progress.

If you want actual answers, including perhaps an explanation as to why this post has people up in arms, this book is a good read:

www.penguin.co.uk/books/316675/the-psychosis-of-whiteness-by-andrews-kehinde/9780141992389

No 2 "white" people are the same.... is absolutely not ok. Would it be OK to change the word white to someone's religion instead? Or to "black people behaviour?"

Of course it's not ok.... its stereotyping.