to expect all the weirdos,murders,phyco's sent to jail to get "real" jail time[angry]

[ppie]

call me unreasonable but when are people sent to jail going to get real punishment??
It seems its quite the norm now just to get a couple of years for a stabbing, drink driving and kill somebody, give them a wee fine and a few points.Even better, jail them maybe 5 years and a five year ban, to run concurrently !!!!!. I want youth detention facilitys to be a detterent not a bloody holiday camp,where they "rehabilitate" playing a Wii anf flaming absailing.
No doubt some bleeding heart will say its not their fault and a bit of tlc will cure them. Well if god forbid if something happened to any of their family would they be happy if that was the punishment Rant over!!!

Ahhh, if only the collective wisdom on MN could run the country...

Shekyerbooti- the TV program I was refering to also pointed out that low seratonin levels are very much linked to people who recieved little affection when they were young or who were abused when young. I found that fascinating. So yes you are right that abusive childhoods are a huge trigger. They are a huge trigger for low seratonin which is in turn a huge trigger for criminal behaviour, violent or otherwise. This combined with high teststerone seems to be a trigger for some really out of control violent behaviur.
"Drugging people on the off chance they might offend" does sound extreme but we drug people for less important reasons. I was kind of suggesting they check levels when kids are young and try to address/redress the balance then. I'm happy to take drugs every day as I have a thyroid imbalance and without the drugs I become depressed/fat/ miserable/anxious and my joints ache. I think that if I felt like topping people at bustops I'd happily take drugs to stop me feeling that way!!
In fact having worked on a Disability advice line for years I often got violent mentally ill men telling me they wished they could be out on a drug that would stop them reoffending as it scared them how out of control and dangerous they felt.
I have read of women taking testosterone (I think it was American business women!) and they said it was quite scary how competitive and agressive they felt and how badly they felt like cutting up the car in front of them!
If my son was diagnosed with low levels of seratonin and abnormally high levels of testosterone I would want to help him. I just find it warped that so much thought goes into scaring little girls into not being adventourous and staying safe and so little thought goes into tryiong to figure out and address why men have such a propensity for violence and thoughtless behaviour.

Oh yeah I just remembered a prison I visited in Blackpool- 75% of the inmates had grown up in care. Bit of a clue as to what causes someone to become a crimnal.

BB99 - you are spot on about that (if only MN could rule the country) Unfortunately we're not aggressive enough to seize the power!

That's v interesting, ps.

Tbh, I think that's a much deeper problem than a few hangings and a few spells of hard labour can solve

I never said we should hang them!! . Monitor the buggers! I think I'm thinkng sort of "Planet of the Apes" except where the women keep the men as slaves under their control . No, silly me, I'm just getting carried away now. Monitor them and hug them more when they're babies. I am giving my DS so many huge hugs I think he'll probably turn out ok . This program I'm on about (I wish I'd taped it now)- it showed a clear link between physical touch when a baby and seratonin levels in later life; so interesting- I guess it's like the "skin to skin" thing they're always banging on about now when the baby is born.
Perhaps old ladies should be hired by the council to hug tiny male babies whose Mums are a bit unaffectionate- I know lots of old ladies who'd jump at the chance-check out the ones squeezing your cute little DC's in supermarket queues!

No one is born "bad to the bone" - anyone who thinks that is mad as a box of frogs

If you don't believe me look at your sleeping baby and reconcile that statement.

missmary - so all sex offenders should be given no chance to rehabilittae? You do know that sex offenders can include a vast array of offences. Officially a boy of 16 having sex with his girlffrend, age 15 is a sex offender. Do we apply you rule to him?

We need the option of rehabilitation for many criminals. Otherwise prisons won't work, and there would be far more trouble from prisons, with rioting, etc.

And life does mean life!

It just does not mean life in prison. That is what the tariff set is for. Life refers to the rest of it - the fact that if and when released they are watched and monitored for life, have restrictions put upon them for life, etc. Their sentence is a life sentence; their period of imprisonment varies.

well what about the boy who had no driving licence and ran over a little boy twice killing him - he hasn't even been sent to prison. Apparently it wasn't considered careless driving or something! He killed a little boy when he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. Of course he couldn't go to prison - the lady who didn't pay her council tax again this year had his cell.

Don't now the case so can't comment on sentencing. Presumably there were reasons for his sentencing not including imprisonment. Cod generally knows a fair bit on sentencing.

ppie - piss off somewhere else.

Hulababy,
If your here tonight, can you email me on
jopowell1 at yahoo dot co dot uk. Got a question about working within a prison.

orangeknickers thats a bit rude

jofeb04 - have emailed you