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Mum friend too much

116 replies

Labmum321 · 09/07/2024 12:42

I made a mum friend on maternity leave a few years ago. I’m weeks away from having my second. In the last ten months I went from part time to full time at work and I no longer have much free time to see this other mum. I work compressed hours over 4 days. This only leaves me with a few hours on a night to make tea and spend time with my little one. On my one weekday off I like to spend the quality time with my child and not be distracted with play dates as they’re at nursery the rest of the week.

She calls me and doesn’t get off the phone for at least an hour and it’s usually just talking about other people she knows in life that I don’t know or care to hear about. I never answer to her when I’m with LO. She’d ring whilst I’m at work and I’ve made the mistake of answering a few times, then I fall behind at work! The more I try and distance myself the more she messages and calls. I’m really trying to pull away from this relationship as it’s causing me stress, I don’t have the time I used to and I’m trying to prepare for my second.

If I don’t reply to her text she will Facebook message, Snapchat, WhatsApp, and/or call many times and then send voice notes saying it was an accident. Then she’ll send really long voice notes that vary between 5-20 minutes long! She messages every time she goes to the shops (sometimes daily) to ask if I need anything getting and dropping off even though I’ve told her each time, no thanks I have a car and two legs, if I need anything I will go and get it myself. I’m not on my own and I’m not struggling and after telling her no thanks again and again it really wears thin.

I don’t want to block her, she’s a lovely person or was before this, but obviously lonely as her husband works late most days but it’s just too much for me. I go on maternity leave in a few weeks and she works term time only and thinks we’ll be meeting up all the time! (We won’t.) I used to really enjoy her company but this is too much now and it’s really put me off wanting to be her friend. She has turned up at my house a few times after I’ve said I’m busy to ‘drop things off’ (that I haven’t asked for or needed) but ends up keeping me on the doorstep for ages. She messages at least 2-3 times a day on different apps and I very rarely reply.

What would you do? A few months ago I’d had enough after receiving a really long voice note where she’s almost in tears saying if I don’t want to be friends anymore then that’s fine as I’d stop replying to her constantly. I sent her a message saying sorry, I have a lot on and just don’t have the time right now to invest in this friendship. After that I received a 10 minute long voice note saying she understands in one breath then the next 9 and a half minutes was trying to have a catch up. I’ve stopped listening to the voice notes now too as they take up too much time.

I really don’t know what else to do. Am I being unreasonable here to want to cut her off or is this really odd behaviour? Has anyone else experienced similar and if so how did you handle it?

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Iseeyoupekingduck · 13/07/2024 13:51

JustAnotherHappyFatty · 13/07/2024 13:27

Good grief, I am exhausted reading that!
How does this woman even have time in the day for so much bloody contact, I have friends that I've had for years that I only have time to contact every couple of months!
She sounds more like a stalker than a friend, personally I would send her one last message making it very clear I wanted no more contact (will be helpful if she doesn't take no for an answer and you have to take it further) and then ignore her completely, I wouldn't block her as it is easier to keep tabs on her state of mind if you can still see the messages.

Why would she want to keep an eye on her state of mind? I really do not understand that, they need blocking so the op can breathe and not be stalked.

Disturbia81 · 13/07/2024 13:53

Tartfulodger · 13/07/2024 13:44

I think we all known someone like this. In the end you have to stop being afraid to offend and just be honest. I had to just tell someone I just can't be on the phone to her every day. Even when I explained there's nothing to talk about if you talk every day she just said 'Oh I can always find something to talk about ', and I said well I can't. I don't even talk to my family every day on the phone and we just don't need to text, call and visit every single day. It's too much. Some people need to be made to take the hint unfortunately and may need a few rounds with the clue bat before they finally get the hint.

This is it, we can be so British and polite. But we have to weigh up upsetting/offending somebody versus our own mental health, peace and lack of daily stress. That should win every time. Luckily as we get older I am more confident in being like that.

JustAnotherHappyFatty · 13/07/2024 13:56

Iseeyoupekingduck · 13/07/2024 13:51

Why would she want to keep an eye on her state of mind? I really do not understand that, they need blocking so the op can breathe and not be stalked.

Personally I would like to know if someone is planning anything stupid, so if she messages to say she is coming to the house as she hasn't had any response to her previous messages for example, I would plan to be out or close the curtains and ignore her🤷‍♀️ it can be beneficial to know what people are thinking.

Iseeyoupekingduck · 14/07/2024 12:08

JustAnotherHappyFatty · 13/07/2024 13:56

Personally I would like to know if someone is planning anything stupid, so if she messages to say she is coming to the house as she hasn't had any response to her previous messages for example, I would plan to be out or close the curtains and ignore her🤷‍♀️ it can be beneficial to know what people are thinking.

Hmmmm nooo just cut all contact! Soon get the message. They turn up at the door sorry I'm busy I'm on my way out.

Booboobedooo · 14/07/2024 12:12

Ghgrynn · 10/07/2024 09:29

I think you’ll just have to be blunt. I would say something like ‘hi X, hope you’re well. This is a difficult message to send, but I have to set some personal boundaries for myself around communication with you because at the moment I’m finding it overwhelming. I don’t have a huge amount of time or headspace at the moment and my priority has to be my daughter and my immediate family. Going forward I won’t be listening or responding to voice notes or messages across multiple apps. I appreciate that your messages are coming from a place of caring but it’s more than I can manage.’

I think you can also restrict certain people from seeing your Facebook posts and Instagram stories so I would do that too so she’s not seeing you’re online.

This is a good message

Disturbia81 · 14/07/2024 13:28

@Booboobedooo It is a good message, I would lose the "at the moment"s though because that is giving them a loophole. I've learnt any inch given they will use to their advantage. They'll end up going quiet for a week and starting up again

Nevermetaghostididntlike · 14/07/2024 13:41

Calls you? Only family do that with me now. Everyone else it’s texts, WhatsApp and emails. Don’t take the phone call and always message. It makes life a lot easier.

Sockmate123 · 14/07/2024 13:52

I would find it really hard to send a blunt message especially if you will run into her in real life at nursery, gym, shops etc

I would just stop replying to 50% of messages them 70% etc and hope she gets the hint....

Why would you answer at work though? You've the perfect excuse. Say 'can't answer at work' and absolutely just leave it at that!

When baby born and she sends message just ignore 90% and if she's complaining just say sorry was sleeping. She'll eventually get the hint and find a new 'friend'. She sounds very intense!!

Cjw50 · 14/07/2024 14:19

I agree

Yousaidwhatagain · 14/07/2024 14:21

Gymmum82 · 13/07/2024 10:48

You sound a bit mean tbh. She’s clearly lonely and thought you were her friend (you’re obviously not) you’re going to be on Mat leave soon with all the time in the world for play dates which you’ll probably need and want but you’d rather cut this person off who sounds like she’d actually be there for you.
I think you should be honest with her that you don’t value her as a friend and let her make friends with someone who actually gives a shit about her

You think ML leaves you with all the time in the world??
You Clearly have no kids.
And why does op free time mean being emotionally drained by someone?

OriginalUsername2 · 14/07/2024 14:31

SaulHudsonDavidJones · 13/07/2024 10:49

Your last sentence is spot on. It's about her needs, she's not thinking of you, and you could be anyone. 100%.

That’s what I think, especially “you could be anyone”.

It’s like someone saying “I love you” after one date.

You’re just a warm body fulfilling the role of her “best friend”. She’s not hearing you at all.

Gymmum82 · 14/07/2024 15:16

Yousaidwhatagain · 14/07/2024 14:21

You think ML leaves you with all the time in the world??
You Clearly have no kids.
And why does op free time mean being emotionally drained by someone?

I have 2 kids. I’ve never had more free time than when I was on Mat leave. Spent most of it meeting up with friends and having play dates. Would love to have that much free time again

MillieMinx · 15/07/2024 00:03

Ghgrynn · 10/07/2024 09:29

I think you’ll just have to be blunt. I would say something like ‘hi X, hope you’re well. This is a difficult message to send, but I have to set some personal boundaries for myself around communication with you because at the moment I’m finding it overwhelming. I don’t have a huge amount of time or headspace at the moment and my priority has to be my daughter and my immediate family. Going forward I won’t be listening or responding to voice notes or messages across multiple apps. I appreciate that your messages are coming from a place of caring but it’s more than I can manage.’

I think you can also restrict certain people from seeing your Facebook posts and Instagram stories so I would do that too so she’s not seeing you’re online.

This response is perfect and much more eloquently put than the reply I was writing! I know how you feel as I’ve been in a similar situation and it was exhausting and stressful. I hope you can resolve this and get some peace

coastalhawk · 16/07/2024 22:52

MillieMinx · 15/07/2024 00:03

This response is perfect and much more eloquently put than the reply I was writing! I know how you feel as I’ve been in a similar situation and it was exhausting and stressful. I hope you can resolve this and get some peace

Add some nice things- its quite cold and something I'd send someone i didn't give a monkeys about. Costs nothing to say something nice!

Sockmate123 · 17/07/2024 00:13

What did you do in the end OP?

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/07/2024 03:11

Apologies if I missed this in your OP - but had you told her before all the texts/voice notes/turning up unannounced that you wanted/needed to step back from the friendship?

Otherwise, it sounds to me like she has absolutely no idea you feel this way and still thinks you're the 'besties' you always have been.
Presumably she's not a mind reader? Time for you to be upfront!

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/07/2024 03:27

Gymmum82 · 13/07/2024 10:48

You sound a bit mean tbh. She’s clearly lonely and thought you were her friend (you’re obviously not) you’re going to be on Mat leave soon with all the time in the world for play dates which you’ll probably need and want but you’d rather cut this person off who sounds like she’d actually be there for you.
I think you should be honest with her that you don’t value her as a friend and let her make friends with someone who actually gives a shit about her

This! 👏👏 I bet this friend has no idea how OP really feels.

OP saying things like: 'She keeps me at the door'... Surely OP is keeping herself at the door and friend assumes she wants to chat!? Because she's not being told any different.

OP definitely needs to be straight with this woman - if only to allow her to focus her energies on friends who actually want her around...

Labmum321 · 17/07/2024 08:26

So I never did message the friend, only because she went quiet for a few days so I was hoping she already got the message from my lack of replying. I’ve read every single reply and I’m glad that it’s not just me!

I’m quite introverted and I only have 2 close friends I’ve known since school and we probably meet up 3-4 times a year if that, but talk weekly, sometimes daily in a group chat. With those friends I know I can go days not replying and there’s never any pressure to respond straight away, that’s how it’s always been.

I’m just not used to this level of constant communication and on maternity leave the first time round and even working part time it was still a lot, but manageable, but it has definitely been ramped up to an uncomfortable level since I’ve tried to distance myself.

Objectively, I do look like I’m being a dick, how can I moan about someone constantly offering to go to the shops for me or wanting to be my friend?! But having spent a lot of time with her, she does this for anyone that will let her, and then slags them off to me. An example of this is a few months ago her MIL was going on a day out with her friend, my friend offered to taxi them around for the day (I saw it as her being lonely and wanting to get involved in this day out) because why would you want to play taxi without being asked?! She then sent me voice notes the day after tearing her MIL and her friend a new one because they didn’t think about her or how inconvenient it was for her to be playing taxi with a young child and they didn’t go to child friendly places. So even if I really did need something from the shop, I would absolutely never take her up on the offers, one because they’re not sincere or who knows who she’d be moaning about me to after! And two, you then feel obliged to make sure you think of her whenever you go to the shop and I just don’t have time for that.
She did the same on maternity leave, she constantly offered to have my LO if I ever had an appointment or needed a break, but I always said no thanks because 1, I didn’t know her that well and 2, it wasn’t a break when it then would have to be reciprocated as she asked me many times to have hers and I always said no (I sound bad again but I was a FTM and didn’t want the responsibility of looking after someone else’s baby, if anything happened in my care I would never forgive myself!)

Anyway, I’m getting carried away ranting now. I’m 2 weeks away from my due date. She only sent me two messages yesterday after a few days of no messages, which has been an improvement without me having to say my piece. I really don’t want to rock the boat this close to Labour but you’ve given me some great ideas on what to do if or when it inevitably ramps up again. For now I’m not responding and if I see her out and about I will use ‘the baby is coming/here & I’m in a different headspace’ etc

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Venice241 · 17/07/2024 08:33

She is absolutely toxic and your instincts are bang on. Trust them.
I really wouldn't worry about her feelings.
Protect yourself, your home, your mat leave.
Good luck.

Labmum321 · 17/07/2024 08:40

Jumpingthruhoops · 17/07/2024 03:11

Apologies if I missed this in your OP - but had you told her before all the texts/voice notes/turning up unannounced that you wanted/needed to step back from the friendship?

Otherwise, it sounds to me like she has absolutely no idea you feel this way and still thinks you're the 'besties' you always have been.
Presumably she's not a mind reader? Time for you to be upfront!

No, I just said something along the lines of I needed to take a step back because life is so busy at the moment so that’s why I’m not messaging and that I don’t have time to put into this friendship right now. I would feel awful being upfront/blunt with her, but I will have to be if absolutely necessary, like if she shows up at my house again unannounced I don’t think I’ll be able to be polite about it anymore.

The last time she turned up was when I didn’t go to her LOs birthday party because they weren’t well and neither was my LO so we apologised and said we’ll do something another time. She turned up the next day with no message, with all the leftover party food and left it on the doorstep. I messaged her saying thanks for thinking of us but we didn’t want the food and she can come and get it (they were ill and the thought of leftover food that their friends and family had been picking through All day was pretty grim). She said if you don’t want it to just bin it, so I then had the job of bagging up lots of food waste and binning it, not to mention the washing up from the plates and tubs it was put in! I had already been sort of distancing myself at that point but felt from then I’d really had enough now as it wasn’t the first time she’d shown up unannounced with things I didn’t want or need

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LookItsMeAgain · 17/07/2024 08:59

Firstly I'd restrict what she can see of my posts online - on every platform that I'm on. Restrict her straightaway. She doesn't get to comment on what she cannot see anymore. Tell her that for security reasons you're taking this position with friends and acquaintances.

Then, send her a message - something like what @Ghgrynn suggested but I'd be a little firmer in telling her to back the hell away (sorry) so something like this might be better:
"Hi X, hope you’re well. I've been struggling with how to word this message so that it doesn't offend you but I have to set some personal boundaries for myself around communication, and currently with you I’m finding it overwhelming. With that in mind, I'm letting you know now that I won’t be listening or responding to voice notes or messages across multiple apps. While you might consider that your messages are coming from a place of caring unfortunately it’s more than I can manage at present. Hope you have a lovely summer and wish you all the best for the future, @Labmum321

You'll have to be firm and you'll have to block her on social media. If you're feeling generous, you could leave a single mode of communication open to her and then mute her on that so that her messages get to you but you can decide whether to respond to them or not.

LookItsMeAgain · 17/07/2024 09:08

I've read the update where she left leftover party food in containers that you had to wash (and subsequently keep to be able to return to her) on your doorstep even when she was ill.

I would have forced her hand on that one and said "I didn't ask for nor do I want the left over party food. If you want the containers returned, you'll actually have to come back today and get them - otherwise I'll be throwing the whole lot into my bin. Oh, and bin day is tomorrow" (even if it wasn't). Then I'd throw the whole lot into a black sack (plates, containers, the works) and into the bin they go!

You didn't ask for the food. You didn't want the food and you certainly didn't ask to be the cleaner and keeper of her plates/containers. Did she collect them from you or do you still have them? She could see that as a way in to meeting you again if you haven't already handed them back.

Labmum321 · 17/07/2024 09:18

LookItsMeAgain · 17/07/2024 09:08

I've read the update where she left leftover party food in containers that you had to wash (and subsequently keep to be able to return to her) on your doorstep even when she was ill.

I would have forced her hand on that one and said "I didn't ask for nor do I want the left over party food. If you want the containers returned, you'll actually have to come back today and get them - otherwise I'll be throwing the whole lot into my bin. Oh, and bin day is tomorrow" (even if it wasn't). Then I'd throw the whole lot into a black sack (plates, containers, the works) and into the bin they go!

You didn't ask for the food. You didn't want the food and you certainly didn't ask to be the cleaner and keeper of her plates/containers. Did she collect them from you or do you still have them? She could see that as a way in to meeting you again if you haven't already handed them back.

I still have them! I’ve been really reluctant to see her again since so they’ve just sat in my cupboard and I haven’t mentioned them nor have I used them but to return them is a job in itself and she works 2 days a week from home so my only way of returning them is to meet up again which I don’t want to do right now.

OP posts:
OriginalUsername2 · 17/07/2024 09:26

Labmum321 · 17/07/2024 09:18

I still have them! I’ve been really reluctant to see her again since so they’ve just sat in my cupboard and I haven’t mentioned them nor have I used them but to return them is a job in itself and she works 2 days a week from home so my only way of returning them is to meet up again which I don’t want to do right now.

Just leave them on her doorstep 😊

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