Thread 2 - Is anyone else on here pro-trans

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I was really enjoying the 1st thread, hopefully it's ok to have a follow on so we can continue debating

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5115405-to-ask-if-anyone-else-on-mn-is-not-anti-trans

Hopefully this isn't a TAAT.

I strongly suspect Diane is taking the piss

if this is her genuine position I'm actually a bit worried for her

Plus she has urged people to look at photos of their "unfiltered" privates.
I'm getting the creepy feeling that she's here to promote trans porn.

Remind us all of that picture you posted earlier which based all your prejudices on looks?

A functional vagina?

What do you think a vagina is for, exactly?

Edited to add: what do you think a woman is for?

What prejudices?

So you have your personal checklist of who is transgender and who is not? That would be considered transphobic. Anyone who declares that they have a transgender identity is a transgender person.

It is far kinder to ensure sex is used as a basis on categorising single sex spaces so that people are not subject to cruel rejection of their transgender identity. They can be whatever gender identity that they wish, but if they are male people, they don’t get to use female single sex spaces.

Well Bridget Phillipson will sort this all out in the coming years and you can expect to see more rights for what you insensitively call "men" accessing womens spaces. Keir is as confused as all of us but he will ensure minorities are represented.

I have a question for trans allies. Like most people, I agree that everyone is free to dress and act as they like within normal, harmless social boundaries. One thing I struggle with is the idea that an AMAB trans individual who remains in the closet, who fathers children etc and is to all intents and purposes a man their entire life, is actually a woman. Can you explain?

Nah I can’t. What do you mean? Who is this person?

Why would you advocate for that? You have so much disdain for women that you don't want them to be able to assert their own boundaries?

By the way, you must realise that a cavity created in a male body is not a ‘functional vagina’? Well, unless you are a misogynist who thinks that vaginas only have to function as a fuck hole to be a vagina. Do you? Do you think that a vagina is just a hole to be fucked and so that is all that is needed to be female?

We need rights for people who wish to transition, females to males too, lets not exclude them.

We're talking about the vagina not the reproductive system. I believe a PP called it an inverted penis. David Lammy has his own theories.

No such thing as a man with a functioning vagina

So, a fuck hole then (edited as posted by accident).

They can advocate for their own spaces if they feel they need them

Male people with trans identities can be represented without them accessing female single sex spaces.

By the way, can you tell us why you advocate that male people be treated as their chosen gender identity but you have only focused on those male people who declare they are ‘women’? If all transgender people should be treated as their genders what about those who are cat gender and all the other documented 100+ genders.

Why is it that a subgroup of transgender people get special treatment over other transgender people?

Middle aged males are not a minority.

Only last week Starmer.said transwomen shouldn't be in women's spaces.

What rights do others have and transpeople not have?

A pair of breasts who uses that term

Agree, according to most GC comments I’ve seen on here transmen are welcome to use female-only spaces since they’re biologically female themselves.
It’s usually the TRAs who then say: “But what if they have a big beeeaard?!”

@Horseebooks trans has been around forever but has only recently gained any acceptance. So history must be littered with closeted transwomen, who were AMAB, lived their entire lives as men, but were actually women. Is that right?

Nope. You have called it a functional vagina. To say this shows readers that you believe a female is someone with a fuckable hole between their legs.

A vagina is so much more than an inverted penis or a piece of colon or intestine that has been added to provide a male with a fuckable hole. But you can double down all you like it will make no difference to those who now see just how you view a female body part.

DianeAbbotsJamjars · Today 22:24
Well Bridget Phillipson will sort this all out in the coming years and you can expect to see more rights for what you insensitively call "men" accessing womens spaces.

Thank God someone is finally thinking of men and their rights.

Keir is as confused as all of us but he will ensure minorities are represented.
I'm not confused at all. If Keir wants a biology lesson, I'm available, just not tomorrow 10-11am and Thursday looks a bit busy too.

We can add what is a vagina to the list, along with what is a woman and what is a trans. You're talking more about symbolism. Perhaps ask a post-op trans if they consider their vagina functional, I'd imagine they's say so.