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Partners parents are overinvolved

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Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 07:09

This is a long narration, and I don’t know where exactly to start, so I apologise if this is all over the place and very long.
I (39, f) have been in a relationship with a guy (38) for close to 11 months. We met last year in September, and both have one child each - girls aged 11 (mine) and 15 (his). Our daughters got along quite well from the start, though there have been a few tricky situations where his daughter talked about some rather age-inappropriate things with my child. We discussed boundaries with her and the types of conversations that aren’t ideal to discuss with an eleven-year-old.

He has full custody of his child as she decided she did not want to have much to do with her mum due to her mum’s mental health issues. He met his daughter’s mum when he was quite young, and it was his first relationship. She got pregnant, and the relationship kind of took a turn for the worse after that. My bf says his ex may have BPD and is also worried his daughter might be showing some signs of having it, too.

However, my issue has more to do with his parents. His parents live about two and a half hours away. I met them about two months after we started dating, which I felt was a bit soon, but he said he is very close to them, and his daughter had told them about me on a visit they had with them. His daughter knew about me a bit early because a message from me once came up on his phone while he was driving, and she was in the car. As a curious girl, she kept digging until he told her we were dating. The first time I met his family was very awkward as they all came down to see him (his parents, his sister and brother-in-law and two kids).
His mum was very aloof and rather cold towards me at first, but his dad seemed to be more chatty, and I got the sense that he was the one they all looked up to as he tends to dominate conversations, but his mum doesn’t talk much but can be very traditional-minded and opinionated about some things. They eventually warmed up to me as I can be quite calm and friendly, and I guess they didn’t see me as a threat. Just to add, my parents live in a different country, and I haven’t seen them for a few years, but I keep in regular contact with them over the phone, and they have met my bf, but I don’t divulge too much about my relationship with them. To be clear, I'm very respectful towards his folks and try to find common grounds of interests so we have something to talk about, though after a while my introverted self just needs a mental break. I also help his mum out with whatever chores she is doing when she is around.

The feeling I got from the outset was that he was very close to his parents, and he did tell me they have always been very supportive of him, even when he was going through custody battles with his ex. My bf also has an ex-wife (not the mother of his child) who he divorced a few years ago. He told me that the main reason they broke up was because of too much family involvement on his ex’s side, as her family wanted him to prioritise her instead of always putting his daughter first. He said her family also came over quite often and spent an indefinite number of days at their place. The thing is, his parents also come over for the entire weekend at least once a month or sometimes once every two months if he goes over to see them before then. I am now wondering if his ex wife had her parents come around often and without much announcement as a way of getting even with his own parents.

In the beginning of our relationship, I did ask how often his parents would come for the weekend, and he said it was not too often, but as time went on, I realised there was a level of enmeshment happening as he talked to his dad every day for hours sometimes and tells him almost everything happening in his life, including my life. When I moved apartments and was having issues getting my rental bond back in time, he was sending updates to his dad and also sending photos of my new place to him. I felt there was nothing he didn’t tell them about, which weirded me out. And I have observed that he is not able to make major life decisions without consulting with them. It concerned me a bit as well because his dad has some strong and strange views and conspiracy theories about things like not wanting my bf to put any photos of him and his mum on social media as they aren’t on social media at all. Some of these views come off as a bit paranoid.

Last Christmas, I agreed to go over with him to have lunch with his family, only to end up spending the whole day there as his parents had expected that he would spend that time with them. They also spent the New Year’s holiday with us, which I didn’t mind so much as I know holidays are usually a time to spend with family. However, I have found it increasingly difficult to spend huge amounts of time with them as they come across as a bit controlling and want things done their way. For instance , they make comments about how late we sleep in (9 or 10 am) as they are usually up quite early when they are at his place for the weekendI don’t usually have. Also, I tend not to have lunch as early as they do and usually have an early dinner and skip lunch most days. However, his parents were not happy about this and made some remarks about it being important that I join them for lunch. Also, I got my bf a sewing machine for his Christmas gift as he said he would like one to use for mending stuff. His parents made it a point to get me to learn how to use it, even though the machine was meant for their son, not me. To keep the peace, I gave in to his mum showing me how to use it and also found I did not feel at ease cooking while they were around as she would come to the kitchen and make comments about how I cooked differently from how she did.

During the Easter holidays, they wanted us to come over to spend time with them. I did not have any issues with that, but I felt the sleeping arrangements were a bit odd. They live in a three-bedroom house, the parents have a room to themselves, my bf’s daughter has her own room and there is a spare room, which used to be my bf’s room when he was living there. His room was the room they prepared for my daughter and me to sleep in.

The entire house is like a time capsule as my boyfriend said his parents are very set in their ways and refuse to change anything, which means his room still had a single bed in it (the bed he used while he was living with them), so this meant that my daughter slept on the single bed and I had to sleep on an air mattress, while my bf slept in the living room. It was rather uncomfortable for me to sleep on the air mattress as it was a bit low on the ground, and I got very cold at night.

I wondered why they wouldn’t change the bed to at least a double or queen bed if they wanted their grown son and his partner to come over on occasions.

There were other things that made me feel uneasy about staying with them like the strange rules of not using or charging phones in the rooms. All phones had to be charged in the living room. My bf also said that he and his brother were never given the key to the house even while they lived there and only his parents have a key. Also, at the entrance of the house, there is an open study area and on the walls are seductive wall posters of two girls (I don’t want to mention the celebrities as that might give too much away). They also have a bookshelf in the living area, and I was going through the books/magazines they had, only to find some were porn magazines, which I found really weird and inappropriate to be put there. At first, I thought it was perhaps posters and magazines from my bf or his brother while they were still living there, but my bf said they weren’t and they were put there by his dad!
This brings me to the next point of discomfort with his parents. There seems to be something a bit off with how his dad and his daughter ‘play’ with each other. There seems to be a lot of body contact when they are having fake fights. I really do hope that I'm overreacting, but there have been a few occasions where things feel off. Also, when he is around, he goes into her room to hang with her and the door is closed for what seems like a long period of time. He also is there with her late at night when she should be asleep, and I wondered if this was why the sleeping arrangement at their place was set up that way as I would’ve thought my daughter and his daughter would have a room to themselves while I and my bf had his room. Don’t get me wrong, I have encountered close granddad and granddaughter relationships before, and my dad is quite close to my brother and sister’s kid. I think it can be a very wonderful and adorable relationship, but this one just seems.. off. The daughter also spends half of the school holidays with them and they are very strict about her spending that time with them.

After that first time spent at his parents' place, I decided I didn’t really want to go there with my daughter any longer and would also limit the amount of time we spent with his parents as I just did not feel I could be myself with them. So, on the weekends, when they come over to stay – they come on Friday night and leave on Sunday night. I usually try to make that a weekend when my daughter and I can just hang out together, catch up with other friends, or do some other chores. However, my bf has noticed this and asked why I have suddenly decided not to spend weekends with him when they are over or go over with him to their place. He says that I'm one of the few partners that his parents actually like and he doesn't understand why I am suddenly not available when they're around.

It’s hard to be honest about how I feel without offending my boyfriend, but I told him that I am not trying to dictate how he spends time with them and even encouraged him to see them as often as he wants, but I wouldn’t be able to spend that same amount of time with them. Also, when they are around, my bf spends most of the day doing things with his dad like DIY stuff around the house or going out to the hardware store for hours, so I end up not spending any quality time with him while they are around. My daughter also isn’t keen on being around them as his mum can be very strict and tends to criticise everything the girls do, while his dad is also not really someone she feels comfortable around. She says she leaves my bf’s daughter’s bedroom when he comes in and starts rough-playing with his granddaughter, as it makes her uncomfortable.

To make a compromise, I suggested that I come over for lunch or dinner while they are around, but I feel pressured to spend more time with them and my boyfriend is getting very upset about the fact that I don’t want to spend the whole weekend with them. My bf is not ok with my wanting to keep a distance and says what happens when we eventually decide to move in together. It seems like he is unable to stand up to his parents at all. Am I being unreasonable for pushing back on this?

OP posts:
Haveyouanyjam · 09/07/2024 09:29

Run for the hills, for the sake of your DD if nothing else.

I agree that I would speak to his daughter, if she’s 15 there are resources out there for her and there is also this website where you can report:

https://www.stopitnow.org.uk

Sexual abuse is unfortunately rife especially in families where boundaries are blurred.

Is the door closed on them in her home as well as the GPs? As if so I’d be saying to your husband it’s his house and the door should be open at all times if he is in her room.

Stop It Now | Preventing child sexual abuse

Online self-help and confidential Stop It Now helpline for anyone worried about child sexual abuse, including their own thoughts or behaviour.

https://www.stopitnow.org.uk

Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 09:47

Thanks to everyone for all the advice (some have been rather brutal, but still appreciated). I will take a lot of what has been said on board and will talk to DP about the fact that we don't seem compatible where his family is concerned. I agree there seems to be some indoctrination going on.
DP himself has been a very caring, supportive, and kind partner to both me and my DD. However, he sets very weak boundaries where his parents are concerned.
His daughter has my contact number and I've always encouraged her to message me if she needs advice or help with anything. The issue is that I'm worried she may not know that what's happening between her and her GD is not appropriate. There have been times she actually initiates the rough play and there was a particular day when she came into the living room half dressed and insisted that her grand dad be the one to do the side zipper of her crop top. I was there in the rooom and so was her dad and Nana, but she went to him instead. She also has displayed some inappropriate sexual behaviour in the past and DP says she may have Histrionic Personality Disorder and also has panic attacks sometimes. He is trying to get her into therapy. It feels like he is sometimes overwhelmed and doesn't quite know what to do with her and I honestly wonder if she wouldn't be better off having some kind of relationship with her mum. Though she says she doesn't want to have anything to do with her. Even at school she is very easily led and has always wanted people to like her even if it meant doing things that aren't right for her.

Also, I've never left my daughter to be on her own with his family members or even with him. I also always follow up with her about how she feels about things relating to DD and his family. She confides in me a lot and we are very close. My DD was the one who told me that his DD was talking to her about suicidal ideations her friends at school were having. She would also sometimes watch inappropriate, sexually suggestive videos on the internet. My DD told her she didn't think it was appropriate and she felt uncomfortable with these things.

Recently, his DD has started making this weird moans that sound very sexual and she just does it randomly, which my DD and I find very weird.

I will definitely try to reach out to her and maybe seek the help of a professional on how to go about doing this properly. The tricky bit is proving that something sinister is actually going on. But my gut feeling is very strong about this one.

OP posts:
Bittenbyfleas · 09/07/2024 09:47

Mrsdyna · 09/07/2024 08:50

From experience this will not get better. His parents will see you as a target of absolute focus when you start pulling back and the result will be he either cuts his parents off (unlikely) or you breakup.

For your sake and your daughter's, end it now.

You can not prepare for the character assassination that is brewing against you.

This 100% . They are control freaks .

KreedKafer · 09/07/2024 09:49

His parents are absolutely batshit.

There’s a lot to unpack here (rules about where you, an adult, can use your phone?! That’s insane, for example).

But the most important thing here is your boyfriend’s dad and his massively creepy and weird behaviour. It’s not remotely normal or OK for an old man to have porn in the living room. It just isn’t. There’s no world in which that’s OK.

I also think the behaviour around his teen granddaughter sounds worrying. Particularly given that the teen granddaughter has form for talking about ‘inappropriate’ things with a younger child.

I’m actually wondering if there was a subconscious reason, relating to the grandfather’s behaviour, that your boyfriend’s mum puts you and your daughter in a room together and makes your boyfriend (rather than your daughter) sleep on the sofa downstairs alone.

They also sound like awful, overbearing, controlling, overstepping arseholes - I couldn’t deal with that enmeshment at all - but the key thing here is that you find his father’s behaviour creepy and inappropriate and your daughter feels uncomfortable around these people. I would be walking away from this entire family, including your boyfriend.

Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 09:49

Haveyouanyjam · 09/07/2024 09:29

Run for the hills, for the sake of your DD if nothing else.

I agree that I would speak to his daughter, if she’s 15 there are resources out there for her and there is also this website where you can report:

https://www.stopitnow.org.uk

Sexual abuse is unfortunately rife especially in families where boundaries are blurred.

Is the door closed on them in her home as well as the GPs? As if so I’d be saying to your husband it’s his house and the door should be open at all times if he is in her room.

Yes, the doors are closed when he is in the room with her - both at DD and GP's place, which is strange, as other times the family prefers to have the doors of all the rooms open, even at night time.

OP posts:
KreedKafer · 09/07/2024 09:53

Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 09:47

Thanks to everyone for all the advice (some have been rather brutal, but still appreciated). I will take a lot of what has been said on board and will talk to DP about the fact that we don't seem compatible where his family is concerned. I agree there seems to be some indoctrination going on.
DP himself has been a very caring, supportive, and kind partner to both me and my DD. However, he sets very weak boundaries where his parents are concerned.
His daughter has my contact number and I've always encouraged her to message me if she needs advice or help with anything. The issue is that I'm worried she may not know that what's happening between her and her GD is not appropriate. There have been times she actually initiates the rough play and there was a particular day when she came into the living room half dressed and insisted that her grand dad be the one to do the side zipper of her crop top. I was there in the rooom and so was her dad and Nana, but she went to him instead. She also has displayed some inappropriate sexual behaviour in the past and DP says she may have Histrionic Personality Disorder and also has panic attacks sometimes. He is trying to get her into therapy. It feels like he is sometimes overwhelmed and doesn't quite know what to do with her and I honestly wonder if she wouldn't be better off having some kind of relationship with her mum. Though she says she doesn't want to have anything to do with her. Even at school she is very easily led and has always wanted people to like her even if it meant doing things that aren't right for her.

Also, I've never left my daughter to be on her own with his family members or even with him. I also always follow up with her about how she feels about things relating to DD and his family. She confides in me a lot and we are very close. My DD was the one who told me that his DD was talking to her about suicidal ideations her friends at school were having. She would also sometimes watch inappropriate, sexually suggestive videos on the internet. My DD told her she didn't think it was appropriate and she felt uncomfortable with these things.

Recently, his DD has started making this weird moans that sound very sexual and she just does it randomly, which my DD and I find very weird.

I will definitely try to reach out to her and maybe seek the help of a professional on how to go about doing this properly. The tricky bit is proving that something sinister is actually going on. But my gut feeling is very strong about this one.

Your boyfriend’s daughter’s behaviour is quite typical of a child who has been sexually abused for a long time.

I’m not saying that she has been abused. We don’t know. But her behaviour and mental state is certainly characteristic of it.

Hoppinggreen · 09/07/2024 09:54

Thats quite long and there are a lot of things to address there but what stands out to me is the relationship between this 15 year old and her Grandad, its a bit uncomfortable

waterrat · 09/07/2024 09:55

I see someone has already linked to the Stop it Now helpline Op. They are part of the lucy faithful foundation and I highly recommend contacting them.
They exist for anyone worried about the online or sexual behaviour of a family member or friend

I would also consider reporting your concerns about the girl to the safeguard lead at her school. Making porn noises ....porn openly scattered about at home ?!

Signs of sexual grooming

GingerPirate · 09/07/2024 09:56

People should set boundaries.
This ought to be taught at school.
Nobody will set them for you apart from yourself
and as long as you are around others, they'll keep trying it on, whoever they are, however close they are.
Boundaries!

Haveyouanyjam · 09/07/2024 10:04

Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 09:49

Yes, the doors are closed when he is in the room with her - both at DD and GP's place, which is strange, as other times the family prefers to have the doors of all the rooms open, even at night time.

Massive red flag, definitely speak to her, and signpost her to where she can get support if she wants to. I wouldn’t worry about proving it the main thing is making her aware what’s not okay and where she can get support, the main thing is helping her to put a stop to it if you can.

SunshineAndFizz · 09/07/2024 10:09

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 09/07/2024 08:57

If you’re definitely going to end it, I would first try and ask his DD if she is ok. If she tells you anything, please report it. Then run away as fast as your legs carry you 😬

Yes this, please do this. And then run.

Nn9011 · 09/07/2024 10:20

Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 09:47

Thanks to everyone for all the advice (some have been rather brutal, but still appreciated). I will take a lot of what has been said on board and will talk to DP about the fact that we don't seem compatible where his family is concerned. I agree there seems to be some indoctrination going on.
DP himself has been a very caring, supportive, and kind partner to both me and my DD. However, he sets very weak boundaries where his parents are concerned.
His daughter has my contact number and I've always encouraged her to message me if she needs advice or help with anything. The issue is that I'm worried she may not know that what's happening between her and her GD is not appropriate. There have been times she actually initiates the rough play and there was a particular day when she came into the living room half dressed and insisted that her grand dad be the one to do the side zipper of her crop top. I was there in the rooom and so was her dad and Nana, but she went to him instead. She also has displayed some inappropriate sexual behaviour in the past and DP says she may have Histrionic Personality Disorder and also has panic attacks sometimes. He is trying to get her into therapy. It feels like he is sometimes overwhelmed and doesn't quite know what to do with her and I honestly wonder if she wouldn't be better off having some kind of relationship with her mum. Though she says she doesn't want to have anything to do with her. Even at school she is very easily led and has always wanted people to like her even if it meant doing things that aren't right for her.

Also, I've never left my daughter to be on her own with his family members or even with him. I also always follow up with her about how she feels about things relating to DD and his family. She confides in me a lot and we are very close. My DD was the one who told me that his DD was talking to her about suicidal ideations her friends at school were having. She would also sometimes watch inappropriate, sexually suggestive videos on the internet. My DD told her she didn't think it was appropriate and she felt uncomfortable with these things.

Recently, his DD has started making this weird moans that sound very sexual and she just does it randomly, which my DD and I find very weird.

I will definitely try to reach out to her and maybe seek the help of a professional on how to go about doing this properly. The tricky bit is proving that something sinister is actually going on. But my gut feeling is very strong about this one.

This is very worrying OP, displaying inappropriate behaviour like this is a sign of abuse. Get away for your daughter's sake and consider reporting to social services or someone similar.
What a sad sad situation for his daughter and he's doing nothing to stop it.

Julyshouldbesunny · 09/07/2024 10:25

His df's behaviour may explain why his ex is no longer around.. Ltb and don't look back. He sounds as odd as his df....

PaganOfTheGoodTimes · 09/07/2024 10:46

Is it me, or does this come across very 'chatgpt, write me a pervy post for mumsnet?' "Long narration" for instance.
Sorry if it's real OP, but I'd maybe suggest others dont give personal experiences.

Creativeaura84 · 09/07/2024 10:50

PaganOfTheGoodTimes · 09/07/2024 10:46

Is it me, or does this come across very 'chatgpt, write me a pervy post for mumsnet?' "Long narration" for instance.
Sorry if it's real OP, but I'd maybe suggest others dont give personal experiences.

This is definitely not a chat GPT. I honestly wish it was. I'm not sure why anyone would put a chat GPT generated post of this sort of thing...

It's taken me a long while to decide whether to put this out there or not as I am taking a certain risk of being found out, but it's been weighing heavily on my mind and I thought I should get other people's perspective on things.

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SwordToFlamethrower · 09/07/2024 11:18

Run

Agapornis · 09/07/2024 12:05

For what it's worth, as this is a mainly UK based forum, I don't think many people here get diagnosed with Histrionic Personality Disorder. It sounds a lot like hysteria - something solely applicable to women... Overt sexual behaviour at an inappropriate age is often an indicator of abuse. She may have been told that what her grandad does is normal, a special secret not to be shared with anyone, she's a Grown Woman now, etc. I hope you get somewhere in your conversations with her. Even if not, I'd contact a helpline for advice and report your suspicions. Better safe than sorry.

JLou08 · 09/07/2024 12:47

If you've been together almost 11 months and spent Christmas with the family then you spent Christmas with him and his family after less that 6 months together? Fine if no children involved but that's odd for parents to do.
Beginning of the post I wasn't sure what the issues with the family were but you and your DD being uncomfortable and you clearly suggesting there could be sexual abuse is a huge issue. I'd be out of that relationship in a shot. Could be completely innocent but you don't take that risk with a child if something feels odd. The fact he has you stay with his family so quickly and is complaining you don't want to spend nights with them could be an indication he is involved in grooming you for your DD.
This is all speculative but as I said, you don't take any risks when a child is involved.

Persephone1985 · 09/07/2024 13:06

'Also, when he is around, he goes into her room to hang with her and the door is closed for what seems like a long period of time. He also is there with her late at night when she should be asleep'

This alone, massive alarm bells. I'd go and stay with them again just to do a bit more detective work. That little girl could well be being abused.

SummerTsunami · 12/07/2024 08:25

There was a lot to this post so I’ll just extract what would be important to me and that would be (m38) and the intense relationship with parents, father in the bedroom, oh and the porn mags! I can’t do the family thing all the time, I want to concentrate on our little unit and not always be having an outside influence, they had their kids and they have grown and flown, now it’s the next generations chance to do this for their kids. I don’t think you’re wrong to be concerned about the play fighting and bedroom thing at all, makes me uncomfortable reading it! Do not let your daughter spend time alone with him, he may be lovely but trust your gut. I don’t need to say anything on the porn mags thing as it speaks for itself. I like my in-laws but I don’t want to spend my free time with them, my husband visits them almost weekly, they pop to ours very occasionally but that’s it. We don’t have kids so there isn’t that involvement with their grandkids - that may have changed the dynamics if we had. My BFF spends what seems to me, an inordinate amount of time with her parents, but that’s up to her but she will try to get me to do stuff with all of them. No thanks, that’s not for me. I would personally have called time on this relationship sooner as I can only see it getting worse especially as they get older. You’re only in year one, how do you think it’s gonna be by year five?

Tv23456 · 12/07/2024 09:01

11 months you and your daughter have been around this.
Why on earth have you stayed around?
Why are you tolerating him who has zero boundaries, complain about yours and not wanting to be around his family?

He sounds like a freak as does his family.
You are potentially putting your child in danger being near them.
You should contact his daughters school safe guarding and report your concerns and have a conversation with her if you can.

But you need to get the hell away from this controlling freak and his family and protect your child.

Your daughter senses she isn't safe.
She has had these people foisted on her after you only know him weeks.
Run not walk.

Snugs10 · 12/07/2024 09:08

My BIL insists on phones only charged in day time in the room you are in due to possible fire hazard no big deal Just their house rules

YourWildAmberSloth · 12/07/2024 09:16

Honestly OP it all sounds too fast too soon. Within a couple of months you had met his daughter. Your expectation that the 2 daughters would share a room - even though they are basically strangers. Spending Christmas etc with his family so early on in the relationship. Concerns about the relationship between FIL and his grandaughter need to be raised or reported to SS. If you have genuine concerns you should not be taking your daughter there or allowing her to be around him. None of this sounds healthy - in your shoes I would be calling police/social services about the possible abuse and walking away from the relationship for good.

Pertinentowl · 12/07/2024 09:50

I’d phone that helpline someone posted AND speak to her school who will have a better idea of.. who she might confide in and just.. they are more trained than you. Of course they won’t tell her it was you or update you at all because they can’t. But you have to do this.
That fucker jumped to histrionic personality disorder because of Amber Heard, did he bother to google why a lot of women get diagnosed with personality disorder? Trauma.
TRYING to get her into therapy? What a pathetic excuse for a father.
Someone needs to get him to take a good long hard look in the mirror. Weak and useless.

tara66 · 12/07/2024 10:00

Too many red flags.
Question BF about his DD and DF's relationship.
Is he blind or stupid?