For being FED UP that people are living in council houses & on benefits, yet some how can afford to go on a holiday every year??

[cleo43]

I have had it with lazy shites that sit in the house that I & my dh ( the tax payer) pay for , living on money that I & my dh ( the tax payer ) make possible, having more than I have!!

Perhaps it's a little bit of a green eyed monster going on here ,but, this evening my neighbour that lives in a council house & on benefits has been round to show me her new car and ask me to look after "her" house when she and her husband ( plus the two children and a grandchild) go on holiday next week!!
I am sick of it. It was only last month that she was dragging me in to see her new giant flat screen tv!!
We can't afford these things yet we have to pay for these idiots to have them??

custy
"Oblemovs post made me laugh...after a working person pays the mortgage"
Please explain. What was it that I said that made you laugh.

sparkly, i so was not aiming at people such as yourself i'm talking about the few..that can work..usually when there are 2 parents..and its pretty clear they are just being lazy..i would like to see more cash coming your way as you are in need of it and deserve it, so i have nothing against the majority.
If we could get these lazy, few of benefits maybe there would be more cash available to deserving people and those that actually need it..i have been on benefits for brief periods so i'm not anti benefits..i would just like to see the people that really should or could be working out there.

YABU
Just because I'm on benefits, why shouldn't me and Demi-Lee-Tequila-Toilet (pronounced twoolay) have a holiday?
We're off to The Maldives on Friday and I'd say thank you for paying taxes, but I'm not nice enough.
These benefits are great

Petetong, my father drove a taxi all his life. He and my mum travelled to London in the 60's because there were no jobs in Ire;and. They were fortunate that a nice older couple took them under their wing because London could be a harsh place for the Irish back then.

My parents both worked but poverty is not always strictly financial. I'm bathering a bit now but poverty is not black and white.
It's not just simply the difference between having a job or not. A counsellor once told me that escaping my poverty mentality would be one of my biggest challenges.

He was right.

Ireland even.

Mhamai good for you and the best of luck to you. I dont begrudge genuine people who are on benefits and for most its a struggle..but there are abuses of the system and thats the bit i have problems with.

I hear you BITCAT but there is so much shame attached to it. Sometimes I throw my hands up and feel like saying "ok judge me" I've learned the hard way that money isn't everyrhing, I'm not a materialistic person so I suppose I'm fortunate in that sense.

I just wish people would weigh up each case on individual merit as opposed to blank sweeping statments that often even if unintentionally add heaps more to my shame.

I'm working on it though.

I'm not knocking you mhamai. I agree with you that there are different forms of poverty. Since I have gone back to work my dh and I have worked really hard to give my dcs a good standard of living, which I think is directly attributal to growing up in poverty, so maybe something good can come out of this situation. I really wanted to work hard and get out of it and make sure that my dcs didn't have the same upbringing. They work hard at school because that is what I expect of them and I hope that it continues and that I am showing them a different way of life to what I grew up with.

cleo43 - piss off somewhere else.

I don't understand alot of posters views on this subject.

I disagree with Expat :"I don't believe all these OPs about people on benefits having flat screen TVs, new cars and holidays.
I think they're making it up to stir, tbh. "
Expat may not know these people but round here there are plenty.
And I disagree with Lazylinepainterjane:
Why are all these OP's so obsessed with the lives of other people? And WHO are these people that you know that have big holidays, flash cars, new jewellery etc? Because I don't know anyone like that. I'm too busy with my own life to spend my time being spiteful towards a group of people of whom I know NOTHING!!!

So mind your own business and if you are that jealous, give up your job and live on benefits if it looks so great! Then you can stop fucking whinging!
I don't understand why my objections upset you so much. If you think something is wrong, be it nestle, or formula advertising, on people cheating you/me/ the Government out of money, or however you choose to say it. I do think that benefit fraud is wrong. And if my jealousy of people who have a really easy life, due to them stealing, when we work hard, and I consider that to be injustice. Why does my view that this is wrong upset you so much. I wouldn't say I was jealous, or maybe a tiny bit resentful, but is that not understandable ?
I also disagree with thelittlestbadger:
"I guess the extent to which this upsets you depends whether you would prefer to have the security of knowing that there was a good welfare state/ NHS to catch you if necessary with the risk that some people will abuse the system, or whether everyone should look after themselves and the absolute minimum should be done to help those who do need benefits in case people abuse the system."
Well, I fall in the middle, I do think thta Gb should be very proud to have a benefits system, and I don't think that everyone should fend for themselves. But abuse of it makes me VERY upset, is that so unreasonable ?
I diasagree with Joash:
"You do not know anyone's situation unless you are that person". That is simply not true. Yes many people make assumptions. I am not making assumptions about many of the people I have posted about. Thay rae very open adn brazen about all their 'shennanigans' - both leagal and illegal.
THERE. I wonder if anyone will come back to me, on this ?????

I know what you mean about the shame thing!
I always felt ashamed at school because of my parents not working.
And as i know there circumstances, and i no longer have anything to do with them, not gonna go into it, shes just a horrible nasty woman...they were scroungers and even though all kids left school she still lives of social! So yes each person has a different story and most people are genuine..best wishes to u and your family chick..you deserve it

Oh no I know your not Petetong. Sorry if you thought I thought you were. You see, maybe it's just an age thing but when my dd was still in secondary school. I was adamant that she finish school and go on to University. She didn't/hasn't so far.

She was unsure of what career she wanted to pursue. I was pulling my hair out initially as I hadn't finished sc hool myself and was convinced she would end up like me if she didn't

Butguess what? She has worked damn hard at managerial positions in the retail trade. She will be 22 in June and is heading to Spain to work for a Summer season and planning to go to University in the Autumn.

I see so many difference between how my parents lived, how I have lived/live and how might daughter lives. Freedom from poverity lies way beneath the illusion of wealth.

Orangeknickers why should Cleo43 piss off somewhere else. Surely this site if for discussion of subjects that affect us all and she is only expressing her opinion.

Thanks BITCAT, have a really shitty day ahead of me tomorrow, so really appreciate your good luck comment.

Oh you are so right, Mhamai. We are all capable of lifting ourselves out of poverty. But I think that it needs our parents to show us that we are trying, even if us trying doesn't always give them everything they would want in life.

I did when I was much younger envy the "hads" being a "have not" I felt like a victim. Now what I have is priceless. I know a lot of poor wealthy people.

petetong - is this your troll login? As I notice you have only posted today and one day last year.

Is there a post quoata to be "ok"

Some people who live in 'council homes' actually bought them at full market value from a previous owner.

They're actually worth a lot of money in some areas, particularly those in good catchment areas.

If your last post Orangeknickers is in response to Petetongs last post to you, it really says a lot more about you than about her.

Hey expat! Did you get the Women runs with wolves yet? Are you still barftastic?

i'm too barftastic to read anything just yet.

AND, just as i was about to order, DH BURNED my baking sheet.

i had to go get another one so no new books till next week.

I'm not a troll, I have actually read plenty of this site, but have stayed away from commenting as if you don't agree with old mnetters you tend to get jumped all over. I remember reading posts about a mother who asked whether she should leave her child to take her other child to nursery which was literally a few yards away and other mnetters saying it was unforgiveable and that she had no idea what could happen, and yet you look on the mcann websites and a lot of people say it is ok to leave children for the evening while you go out for a meal. I just have decided to stand up for what I think tonight.