For being FED UP that people are living in council houses & on benefits, yet some how can afford to go on a holiday every year??

[cleo43]

I have had it with lazy shites that sit in the house that I & my dh ( the tax payer) pay for , living on money that I & my dh ( the tax payer ) make possible, having more than I have!!

Perhaps it's a little bit of a green eyed monster going on here ,but, this evening my neighbour that lives in a council house & on benefits has been round to show me her new car and ask me to look after "her" house when she and her husband ( plus the two children and a grandchild) go on holiday next week!!
I am sick of it. It was only last month that she was dragging me in to see her new giant flat screen tv!!
We can't afford these things yet we have to pay for these idiots to have them??

Yeah, really bambi, how come? How is he funding that lifestyle on £59.15 per week? He's either breaking the law, in which case shop him, or he has entitlements you know nnothing about.

This is interesting ... ifyou have a nice car before you are unfortunate enough to land up on benefits, they don't take it off you, and you can even sell it to buy a new one without losing any of that money.

whats with the blowing kisses?

I don't get this site sometimes, whats with the pals act with certain posters?

Hi,

I've aired my view son this in the past but don't anymore as I gernally go against the grain with this particular debate.

As a single mother working fulltime it does offend me that I sometimes see what I perceive as people making benefits a lifestyle choice and having an easy life.

I get no benefits.. the only tax break I get is on my council tax because I'm the only over 18 in my property. I have no help towards my childcare costs or anything like that.

Sometimes it's easy to let the green-eyed monster get to you.. and it's natural

I am lucky enough to be in a position where I live a fairly comfortable lifestyle but I've had to work really hard to get to this point.

I don't always get holiday etc and do go without somethings sometimes but they are things I consider luxuries.. there are other times that I get stupid and spend a ridiculous amount of money on shoes or soemthing. I've also paid for holiday solely by putting stuff from my loft on eBay etc

I guess what I'm trying to say in the last paragraph is that just because soemtimes people get something which you think they can't/shouldn't be able to afford doesn't mean they haven't gone without in other areas to get that things.

It can be frustrating to struggle and work so hard but in doing so you are building a future. A life on benefits may appear easy, although having done it i would challenge that. But you cant build a future and gain security on benefits. I know when i started working we were worse of for a while but a few years down the line our lives have been transformed and we have real security and choices.

In that case then, ask him how he does it since you'd like a slice of the action .

I'll keep pleased that I don't need to claim benefits so if there are a few fraudulent claims, well, I'm not making them.

Jello..

It's because people on here are pals...?!?

Colditz post was exellant actually.

No, nobody is discussing me, personally, but the title of the thread is

"For being FED UP that people are living in council houses & on benefits, yet some how can afford to go on a holiday every year??"

That's me. And I've answered the question, in a way.

And the answer is (for me, and I suspect many others) THAT i DO NOT FRITTER MONEY. Some people do. Ibncluding working people.

I KNOW it's shit being working poor, I've been there. But Why pick on people in council houses? People in private rental claim benefits too - they just don't slot as neatly into the Stereotype Gap left by the Daily Mail.

judgy.

how do you not know the holiday is one of the £9.50 ones form the sun or the express (those ones are in europe) £70 for a holiday if you save up isn't an awful lot (is to me at the mo but to some it's not) re the benifits not sure how it works for 2 people on them - maybe he has invalidity or something? I don't know.

car could be mobility, you really don't know behind closed doors,

I know how much it grates you in some respects thou, but please do not judge unless you know all of the facts.

Oblomov - I know people who are capable of cheating the system (whether they are or not is moot to me). I also know the right things to say to claim benefits as one of my family worked for the DWP for a long time. It doesn't alter my opinion I'm still in a better place than someone who feels the need to cheat. One day it'll catch up with them.

Agree with DTS as well.

jello - you what? I thought colditz made some very good points, and instead of typing that, I decided to blow her some kisses instead

I might snog her next time if she posts something REALLY good

I think the probability is that it isn't a mobility car or a sun £9.50 holiday.
Britain encourages benefit fraud. And there is no shame in claiming benefits all your life. Many school leavers admit this. Their parents did it and they intend to too.
It is just the way it is.

Fab post Colditz.

To quote Janis Ian.

There's never much to say between the moments of
our games and repartee
There's never much to read betweeen the lines of
what we need and what we'll take
There's never much to talk about or say aloud,
but say it anyway
Of holidays and yesterdays, and broken dreams
that somehow slipped away

In books and magazines on how to be and what to see
while you are being
Before and after photographs teach how to pass
from reaching to believing
We live beyond our means on other people's dreams
and that's succeeding
Between the lines of photographs I've seen the past --
it isn't pleasing

they just don't slot as neatly into the Stereotype Gap left by the Daily Mail.

I realise this obv, but my point is it could be these things and we don't know, as someone said yesterday on the homeless thread, once you have the money who are we to decide how it's spent - weather it be on food or telly's or holidays - your boss doesn't ask how you spend your wages why should other people ask how I spend my money.

if however they are claiming money they're not entitled to then i'd be very angry at them - as cold says it's taking money away form someone who's in need and giving those of us who are genuine a bad name. we're not all lazy shites - some of us our working hard towards more qualifications on OU. (incl degrees) which in the long term will mean we pay back what we've taken out of the pot so to speak and more.

until you know thou what's going on for def you shouldn't judge. (easy said hard to do I know)

LaComtesse, I used to think that, but have become disillusioned. I used to think that if you reported someone, something would be done.
I have never reported soemone, and I wouldn't now, because it is pointless. Many of the people who live round us, who are quite open about their benefit fraud, they have been reported. Sometimes, many times. And either they are very clever, or the people investigating them, were very inept, becasue it all died down and went quiet , and then before long, they were back to doing exactly what they had always done.
This is not an isolated event. I am talking about atleast a dozen, or 20 people that are regularly discussed, within our neighbourhood. Everyone knows igoes on. But we are powerless.
I fail to believe that where we live is unique. This must go on everywhere.

some people are honest, others aren't

some people on benefits are honest, others aren't

you cannot judge which group a certain person is in, unless you know the full story. which you don't

Davidtennant, we do know what goes, on, becasue they openly tell us, sell their cars infront of their houses, and tell everyone about it. We can judge, becasue they are so brazen and open about it.

A brand new car, a flat screen TV and holiday. The benefit rates are so low, and even if they are being very careful, it wouldn't be possible to pay.

To get the mobility car-you need to be on the higher rate of DLA. Which means a person must have very limited mobility.

They must be getting money from somewhere else! illegal

what I want to know is how they manage to get the benefit fraud & get away with it - I struggled big time to get my £20 per week, IS, couldn't get a house for love nor money, but do get HB - which doens't cover the full rent so has to be topped up by me - how do people manage to do it??

if they're selling their cars maybe they used that money for the telly or holiday?

to the OP: YABU.

Either shop them for benefit fraud or appluad them for their clever use of very little money.

Benefits do NOT allow you to live an opulent lifestyle. They just don't.

So either your neighbours are clever, canny, frugal in other areas... whatever. Or they're scamming the system and as Colditz said (fab post, btw) if that is the case, they are stealing off others who need the money even more.

And, whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of thinking that ALL benefit claimants are living a life of luxury at your expense. It's just not the case.

Why don't people get irate about large companies or multimillionaires who manage to pay less tax than they ought, sometimes by downright shady means? And we're not talking trivial sums here - say £20 for doing soembody's ironing or a night's work in a pub cash in hand - it's serious money.

I have never felt the urge to shop anybody who commits benefit fraud - I'm more inclined to wonder just how honest I might be if I were getting by on less than £60 a week.

oh fuck this.

CorrieDale - I get so upset about that I get apoplectic!

If they paid the amount of tax that was due, the economy would be thriving. As it is we're heading for a recession and all the rats are jumping ship...

CorrieDale makes an interesting point but for me it's less about the Multimillionaires (who actually have probably made lots and lots of their own sacrifices to get where they want to be) and more about bloody politicians kitting out their homes in John Lewis and give their sons great wads of money..

imVho the government is the root of the problem and unfortunately one that I don't think is curable.. Other agencies (CSA etc) and indeed benefit fraudsters are not the cause they are merely a product.