For being FED UP that people are living in council houses & on benefits, yet some how can afford to go on a holiday every year??

[cleo43]

I have had it with lazy shites that sit in the house that I & my dh ( the tax payer) pay for , living on money that I & my dh ( the tax payer ) make possible, having more than I have!!

Perhaps it's a little bit of a green eyed monster going on here ,but, this evening my neighbour that lives in a council house & on benefits has been round to show me her new car and ask me to look after "her" house when she and her husband ( plus the two children and a grandchild) go on holiday next week!!
I am sick of it. It was only last month that she was dragging me in to see her new giant flat screen tv!!
We can't afford these things yet we have to pay for these idiots to have them??

I can't think that anyone would begrudge people claiming benefits out of necessity or on a short term basis - that is why they are there.

Thank you Poncho - your post is much appreciated.

Unfortunatly, in our circumstances, my husbands health means we will be forever on them. It is a degrading, awful time. We both like to work.

I am delighted to say we have a DS (26 yrs) and his partner of the same age who are paying shed loads of taxes and national insurance into the system. They are due their first baby in June and after 3 months my wonderful DIL will go back to full time work. I will then be full time childminding my first granbaby. It will be a privilege for me to look after him....but I will not be claiming any money from the government because it will make us worse off!

You see the money is made round to go around. I hate it when people judge before they know the circumstances.

Wonderful - it must be so exciting to have your first grandchild on the way! My mam was a great support and I am sad that she only sees DD every few weeks because we live 4 hours away.

I try to think in the same way as you, my grandparents have recieved disability benefits for a while so I reason that my taxes are going straight to them - it doesn't seem so bad then!

Enjoy the next couple of months of relaxation as I have a feeling you may be busy soon!!

Thank you honey. Believe me I cant wait. Our lives have been in turmoil for so many years that Lewis Daniel (my granbaby) is a new beginning, a new start, a newborn baby, who wont care if grandma and grandad work or not....he will only care that we love him.

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Agin, I am talking about my neighbours specificly. I am glad that we live in a country that has a benefits system for those that genuinly need it. I do not like people that are more than capable of working and just can't be bothered. If there were not so many people like this then we could potentially pay less tax and genuine people could get more.
If they have maxed out the credit card /loans & run up massive debts, Where does the money come from then?
The money still comes out of their benefits to pay it back, The debt does not magically go away.

Oblomov regardless of you thinking that some people are "...open adn [sic] brazen about all their 'shennanigans' - both leagal [sic] and illegal." I re-iterate You do not know anyone's situation unless you are that person. My own mother bragged openly about her home and about the possessions and holidays that she afforded on benefits as we were growing up - often insinuating that some were acquired legally and some were acquired illegally (all because she wanted to be 'one-of-the-crowd' and for some strange reason, thought it made her sound clever). In reality, she was up to her bloody eyebals in debt and drowning. It was us, as kids, that took the flack from morons who regularly made assumptions about the sort of family we were from.

Its ok everyone saying 'oh i know there are genuine claiments out there' i grew up in council housing, my mum used to get our christmas presents from the pound shop (she only recently admitted this to me).

It was only when i started working that i realised just how bigoted some people are, 'all those council house scroungers' etc. My colleagues say things like this in front of me all the time,it makes me feel so upset.

I know that if i told them i was bought up in a council housing they would never look at me the same again.

But they don't get anymore money from you however they choose to use it.

I am not saying they get more I am just explaining from an earlier post that even if they buy things on credit it IS STILL paid for out of benefits.

what does it matter (and what business is it of yours) if 'they' pay for things out of benefits?

Benefits are not there for you to exist on, they are what the government says you need to live on. Replacing things, buying clothes etc are living. There are also grants and loans available to people on benefits for when these large purchases come up.

Would you be happier if people on benefits saved for what they need rather than buying it now? Maybe if they can save it means they were getting too much in the first place.

davidtennantsmistress - I agree it's brilliant that some people on benefit are studying with the OU to gain qualifications to get themselves better prospects.

I too would love to study for a degree with the OU but I can't afford to. However, if I were on benefit I'd get the whole thing free.

Im sure someone who may have moved in across the street from me around Christmas 2004 would have thought this of me also.

You would have seen me buying a rather nice looking TV (not flatscreen, not huge, but a nice one all the same). You would have seen the nice new cooker I had delivered and the two holidays a year I had. At night, you would have been able to see into my living room and that its pretty nice. You would also have seen that I didn't work. You would have seen this for approx two years which is long enough to form an opinion based on fact yes?

Not necessarily. What you wouldn't have known is that from Christmas 2004 until Summer 2004 I was on Maternity leave. I had never owned a new TV and so when mine finally conked out I bought a new one from the ex catalogue shop. It was rather cheap. When my cooker broke I bought a new one. None of your taxes paid for these things. You perhaps wouldn't have known either that in Summer 2004 before I even got the chance to go back to work I was made redundant and spent the next 10 months trying to get another job. During this time I had two holidays. My mother owned a caravan which she drove us all to. Free transport and free accommodation. I had no money saved for this. I paid my bills as normal those weeks and spent the small amount I had left on food for us in the caravan and a little pocket money to spend on the kids.

You may not have noticed that I did then get another job (part time three days a week). I dont wear any kind of uniform that would give that away. It was only three months before I was made redundant again and another 9 before I finally got another job. I still had two free holidays that year. My mother was going anyway so there was no reason why we shouldn't come along.

It was a bad two years. Very shaky. Id say I had a run of bad luck..people say you make your own luck but im not sure how anyone can avoid redundancy. One day you have a job, the next you are out. Yet I always worked before and since (and paid tax!).

Had you seen me during that period you would have thought I was benefit scrounging. You just dont always know someone's circumstances.

only read the lovely title.
gog mn does like to jusdge. we live in a HA house and at prestnt on benefits(hopefully not for long) and we go on holiday in england for a week, cos we get money from a charity. oh the perks of having a severely disabled child.

Would one be allowed a second helping?

shall i mention nazis, then we can apply goodwin's law and end this?

I can never understand this.They must be on some sort of fiddle.When i was ill dp had to give up work to look after me and we were entitled to virtually nothing and SS told us to sell our house and so we did and bought a small flat in a worse area and lived there til I got a transplant.We had no money for holidays of any sort.

Riven. family fund. can't remeber how much. but last year it was £380 and it had gone up this year. I think they realise when you have as much kit as us you can't do a caravan

I haven't read the whole of this post, but I would like to say that I personally have worked since I was 16..I'm now 44.
I had never claimed a penny except for 25% council tax until last year. I too fail to see how anybody has all these luxuries whilst on benefits. I can't even meet all my bills! I have a mortgage and get no help for that. I get £23 a week because ' the law say's that's how much I need to live on' . My friend gets 10pence! One of my neighbours seems to be raking it in too and they are both on benefits, they also have holidays. In the last 10 years even though I've been working I've only had 2 holidays. It does feel unjust.

I did feel really guilty when I first went on benefits. Then I thought about it a bit and decided that actually, I've paid tax for a lot of years, so if anyone has the right to claim, I do. Guilt no more.

My career break has almost been forced on me because childcare is so expensive and not flexible enough for my jobs shiftwork. I've cut back so much to try to make ends meet whilst not working, but I'll be even worse off when I do go back to work. 3 hours travelling each day. Getting the kids up at 5am, paying someone else to care for them, then collecting them again at 8pm, paying all the bills as usual...and when exactly do I spend quality time with my Dc's? IMO the Government don't do enough to help the people that genuinely need it and have put their lives into this country and give too much help to the many that walk into our homeland, straight into our schools, hospitals and benefits office. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but the OP does have a point!

We have never claimed a penny until after we had moved down here ( through no choice of our own) and realised after struggling to pay the rent for almost 18 months that we might be entitled to housing benefit. DH had worked for 28 years and I had worked for 25 years, in the final few years paying tax on over £76,000 a year joint income. With the move, we went down to £12,500 a year and our rent is £625 a month (leaving not a lot for other things). I hated having to claim housing benefit as I know only too well the bigotted morons that exist out there. We get a grand total of £44.84 towards our rent. We have the remaining £580.16 to pay leaving us with just over £260.00 a month (after tax) or £68.04 a week for food, light, heating, etc, etc. But considering the amount of money that DH and I have paid into the system over the years, why shouldn't we claim and why shouldn't others who claim be able to do it. It's bad enough having to claim - without being subjected to all this sh*te!!

2 girls - depending on your income you may well get some help/funding, so it is worth looking into but that sort of a comment does upset me to read. what grates me even more thou is the fact that I couldn't get any learn direct help at all (nothing nada except a barcley loan at 8% apr to pay for my courses) when the Job centre claim they can help - they can help if you've never worked a day in your life but as I have (and did up until DS was born - literally the week before he arrive and then 6 months maternity after) I would have had to of paid. so look into the funding options as there is various ones - even working PT if you ahve a low income you qualify for something.

Obv - no i'm not that nice (not today anyhow am rather tired & PMT'ish) lol. but not i'm not that nieve either I know what goes on, just saying don't judge if you don't. maybe they had a small (ish) win on the bingo - yes it should have been declared but you don't know) the level of cars you're on about thou - yes that's dealership levels so rightly so should ahve been reported.

here here joash. I haven't paid in quite as much as you! lol. but have since being 16, as has XH, my parents have as well- and until I split form XH last sept never claimed a penny - neither have my parents so their logic after paying in as it were since they were 16 is the same as yours. (why not, if it's there to help - and it's not going to be a long term career choice for me - that much I'm certain of)