For being FED UP that people are living in council houses & on benefits, yet some how can afford to go on a holiday every year??

[cleo43]

I have had it with lazy shites that sit in the house that I & my dh ( the tax payer) pay for , living on money that I & my dh ( the tax payer ) make possible, having more than I have!!

Perhaps it's a little bit of a green eyed monster going on here ,but, this evening my neighbour that lives in a council house & on benefits has been round to show me her new car and ask me to look after "her" house when she and her husband ( plus the two children and a grandchild) go on holiday next week!!
I am sick of it. It was only last month that she was dragging me in to see her new giant flat screen tv!!
We can't afford these things yet we have to pay for these idiots to have them??

The real problem that needs to be addressed is the fact that we live in a country with low wages and high housing and living costs.

Unless you'r a high earner you'r always gonna struggle.

As for the benefit cheats (I don't mean genuine claimants, I mean the cheats) the fact is they are not so much "unemployed" as "unemployable". I mean, would YOU give employ one of them, because I certainly wouldn't. Imagine having to rely on them in order for your business to run efficiently.

It's not that they are unemployed, it's that they are unemployable.

God the whole "benefits" thing. What does it mean exactly? My sister is a single parent. She works full time in a not particularly well paid job. So despite working full time, she receives benefits in the form of tax credits and childcare payments. She rents privately and a ridiculous amount of her income goes on her rent. She is looking for a HA property, ie social housing. Yet she would pay her own (more affordable) rent if she were able to live in such a property.

The ridiculous sweeping generalisations about people on "benefits" and in affordable housing, to the extent of suggesting that they shouldn't be referring to their council house as "their house", is ridiculous and irritating.

yes I love pork scratchings.

and black pudding cooked until crispy round the edges

Apologies for my last sentence. I have been renderd incoherent by some of these comments

I don't think that anyone said that people on benefits are scum. In fact, everyone has made a point of saying that the majority are decent people down on their luck who really need the safety net that benefits provide. No-one would begrudge mommy6. It's the minority of people who "use the system" and have no intention of working that annoy everyone. And yes, I do know some of them personally, and no, I don't read the Daily Mail.

lol, fio.. that's where my soul mate is then, no wonder the tarot reading said I wouldn't get married

I think the only question that matters is whether you would want to be in the position of the 'scroungers'. ie apparently living the life of riley whilst doing f all to earn money? If so, go ahead, stop working, start to claim your due, and have a great time. If however you would rather pay your own way, stop whingeing and get on with your own life. I would hate to ever have to claim benefits again - I did for a while after uni when I didn't have a job and I can't imagine anything more demoralising especially when I now have children. A f off great flat screen TV and a holiday in the sun wouldn't make it feel any better as far as I'm concerned.

My Dh made car parts,mainly for BMW and Landrover.Sadly these are made cheaper in India and then shipped now.So they are no longer made here.He then retrained has a out reach worker with NACRO,but without experiance he is finding it hard to get a job in that field.He really wants to work with these children and give them hope that there is a future for them,that they can make something for themselves.Which is hard when he can't even get a job that he has been trained to do and would be good at,because he hasn't any experiance.

I have always worked ans have 2 lovely girls. I have to say I would not have bene able to stay on Materity leave without the extra that is coming in from CTC, its been a godsend. However, cannot afford to stay at home once Mat pay finished, so back to work for me
I open this post and thought, OMG, do you want to be shot!! This type of debate always ends badly, but have to say have felt like the OP when I dropping my babies off to nursery so I can go and work to pay the bills and have a few treats.

Not read all the other posts. I do appreciate there are people who need benefits and indeed we would struggle without CB and TC.

However, YANBU. I lived next door to a couple with a child who moaned about the tiny flat they paid £100 a month for.We lived in exactly the same flat with 2 dcs and paid £866 a month. He did work on the sly. They both smoked like chimneys and had a drug dealer visit every other day. No I don't read the Daily Mail. I just feel like a sucker for working while the bludgers next door didn't.

Another lazy, council housed fecker here, who is also going on holiday, and abroad to boot.

If you think that whilst being on benefits, you can aford to go on holiday then you are deluded.

I am only going because I got a small amount of money given to me (not enough to declare to benefits before you get your knickers in a knot) and so I think that my children deserve a holiday.

It will be a one off, and not be repeated whilst I am on benefits as I simply couldn't afford it.

Anyone who is living the life of riley whilst on benefits, must also be doing something to supplement their income, as it just isn't possible otherwise.

mommy, your DH sounds really motivated. He would have a very positive CV. ARe there any other related fields he could go into? Even on a voluntary basis? It makes me so angry to read about people giving their lives to these big companies, only to be fucked over because production is cheaper in a third world country. It just makes my blood boil, people like you are getting screwed and the low paid workers in the other countries are getting screwed, and the greedy fat bastards in the boardroom who probably look down their noses at people like us are all the richer for it. I guess that is another thread though - soooo bloody frustrating to think our government allowed this to happen, then spend all our bloody money bailing out the big bosses at places like northern rock, oh god, i will never ever vote labour again.

just nipping out to get popcorn.

"being without a top of the range TV has been ranked as being "poor""

Gosh I never knew we were poor ...

TBH I have regularly posted to say that adults who are able to work should work, and benefits should be withheld from refuseniks, but I was of course talking in the general rather than the particular

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You try living on benefits love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh chloe you poor thing.

You are so discontent, what's wrong with your life?

Here's something else to enrage you, I'm a lone parent and I've been given a car and I'm going on a foreign holiday this year.

Oh and my aunt has given me money. I've bought a new fridge, dishwasher and vacuum cleaner and I'm planning to buy a garden trampoline. I'm idly toying with the idea of a WII.

Are you seething with rage and resentment yet?

Oh Piss Off OP.

FIoFio: regarding why the young men outside the jobcentre refused the fruit-picking jobs: was it stated how long the jobs would last for, and how regularly they would be paid? ANother thing with coming off benefits and taking a job is: your benefit stops straight away, even if you won't get paid for a month, and if the job is a short term contract it may take time to restart your benefit payments if you can't find another job when the first one ends. It's also difficult if you are offered a job without a guaranteed income ie you are paid by results. Also, with regard to the young men, whether they were willing to take on a short term job or not would depend on their circumstances as well: did they have children or other care commitments, or could they up sticks and move away for a few weeks work.
Some of the reasons people won't take the first job offered them is because it's actually too big a risk for them, or just not feasible (I remember someone posting about a woman outed as a 'scrounger' becasue she claimed benefits... while living in a remote area with crap public transport and no accessible jobs without a car, and caring for elderly parents as well.

Question: is a couple of 4 (two parents, two small children), where the parents both work (one full time in a factory, the other part-time)entitled to a council house/flat?

yes.

Oblemovs post made me laugh...after a working person pays the mortgage...

when your dead - your kids then get a deposit for their house.My kids will get 100k + each

Thats better than £56 pw no prospects bedsit....just a bit.The benefit claimants kids - don't get that start in life.

I bet they get poorer access to education on the whole - becuase people with monetary means are able to move, or the swindle the system - suddenly everyones a Catholic AMEN. but thats perfectly 'fine' dishonesty.

my question is this.

If claiming benefits is that great then why dont you do it?

I used to do it, i havent done for well over 15 years - why not? because begging for milk tokens and looking for money down the settee is shit.Now i earn a lot of money and rather than envy people on benefits i wonder why they settle for that life, why is that shittyness for them and their kids good enough? eh? why?

When your life is screwing over the system, selling dodgy cars, drugs, crime etc etc - when this is your life, why is that ok for you? why do you not want more for you or your children. This is the real question.

There are opportunities out there for most people. If you want it you can work bloody hard and get it. Yet envy those who don't have it? No. How utterly sad to do so.

To add to Madamez's fine points, Once you come off housing Benefit or they have to reassess your entitlement, you may risk your family being evicted, this is why its not worth it for short term jobs.

Its not the people in these cases but the system.