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To say a massive well done to the people of France...

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 07/07/2024 19:33

For telling the far right National Rally to fuck off to the far side of fuck!!!

So relieved!

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Cherrysoup · 07/07/2024 22:32

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 22:29

Those weren’t ’major’ attacks though.
They were terrible, but they had much fewer victims than the Bataclan or Nice terrorist attacks, so I wouldn’t describe them as major.

Blimey, call me nuts, but I wasn’t body counting when I said major! Very high profile-that better?

verdantverdure · 07/07/2024 22:32

Some people were rubbing their thighs at thought of the far right taking power un France, non?

ComingUpTrumps · 07/07/2024 22:34

verdantverdure · 07/07/2024 22:32

Some people were rubbing their thighs at thought of the far right taking power un France, non?

Yes, of course - that goes without saying. Of course the far right has its supporters.

ClawedUkelele · 07/07/2024 22:34

LordPercyPercy · 07/07/2024 22:31

I never said "major" so I'm not sure why two posters think I did. I said there have been a stream of attacks since 2016. I presume the security forces have got better at stopping the larger ones but obviously it's harder in lone wolf scenarios.

I didn't think you said "major"; I just looked at the table you provided which shows the number of attacks (major or minor) to be much lower since 2016 compared to pre 2016.

ParisLilleBrussels · 07/07/2024 22:35

Cherrysoup · 07/07/2024 22:32

Blimey, call me nuts, but I wasn’t body counting when I said major! Very high profile-that better?

I agree with @ClawedUkelele

FyodorDForever · 07/07/2024 22:38

Brexile · 07/07/2024 22:26

@FyodorDForever No, Brits in France don't have the right to vote in any elections. (Unless dual nationals of course.)

Oh that is unfair! At least in the UK we do, seems fair in a sense, that people living locally vote for the local election but national ones are only for nationals. Annoying but fair 🤷🏻‍♀️

samarrange · 07/07/2024 22:44

The French far right got about 35% share of the vote today. Two and a half times what Reform got, and more popular votes than any other group. They only didn't get that percentage of seats because it's the second round and a lot of third-placed candidates from the other parties dropped out, thus making tactical voting pretty easy ("Choose the one who isn't far right").

There is a still a huge problem of disaffected people who feel left behind and are being told (by a bunch of slightly-reconstructed, barely-disguised racists) that there are easy answers to that. Macron did pretty well with his gamble to try and defuse the pressure revealed by the EU elections, but France isn't out of the woods yet.

Goldenbear · 07/07/2024 22:45

RunAwayTurnAwayRunAwayTurnAway · 07/07/2024 20:47

I think I recognise your posting style Cheerful Bunny!

I disagree about jubilation over the Labour landslide. The Tories (and the SNP and Reform UK) lost it. Labour and the LibDems have filled the vacuum.

I disagree with this summary as essentially if what you are saying is true, it would not have been possible for Starmer to lead this victory from a huge defeat in 2019 as it is such a short space of time and is only the fourth time Labour have managed to go from opposition to government in the history of British politics!

Goldenbear · 07/07/2024 22:47

Dymaxion · 07/07/2024 22:28

There is going to be a huge amount of social and political instability that could potentially bring France to the brink of a civil war.

I am just curious why civil war seems to be the go to for some posters ? Why civil war and not a glut of satire or comedy ? Why not people finding common ground ? It seems a huge leap to jump straight to civil war ? Most people have plenty of other things to keep them busy don't they ?

Yes I agree, so extreme!

infor · 07/07/2024 22:56

Gingernaut · 07/07/2024 20:08

The result is a triumph of compromise

Many candidates withdrew so as not to split votes and people held their noses and voted for parties they didn't support.

The hard right will be deeply unhappy at being shafted

This is the short-term position. However, after a year of no deals and technocratic control, there will be a repeat of the whole process.
Faced with the same three groups in a year's time, would you still consider the group that dropped out in your constituency for tactical reasons, or would your choice be between Left and Right?
There's a lot that can go wrong with these behind the scenes deals.

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 22:58

I hope I’m wrong, but I predict a National Rslly victory within the next 5 years (which is the date by which the next French elections need to take place) and Reform winning way more seats in the next U.K. election.

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:00

I love how people go on about "pro Putin" as if Putin is the only war criminal!
People tend to forget Blair and bush killing 100,000's innocent Iraqis! Many war crimes there.... But that's ok! Because it's western nations doing it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 23:03

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:00

I love how people go on about "pro Putin" as if Putin is the only war criminal!
People tend to forget Blair and bush killing 100,000's innocent Iraqis! Many war crimes there.... But that's ok! Because it's western nations doing it. 🤦🏼‍♀️

What do Blair and Bush have to do with the French election result @Freyaaaa 🤔?

People are mentioning Putin and pro-Putin candidates because 2 candidates support Putin (Le Pen and Mélenchon).

Blair and Bush are of no relevance to this election, so stop trying to trivialise what Putin has done by shoehorning them in 😂😂😂

79Helene · 07/07/2024 23:05

@Acapulco12 Not so sure about Reform but agree RN almost certainly will, I think. They've still done pretty well out of this - the largest single party (?) in what will be a bonkers and volatile Assembly.

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:09

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 23:03

What do Blair and Bush have to do with the French election result @Freyaaaa 🤔?

People are mentioning Putin and pro-Putin candidates because 2 candidates support Putin (Le Pen and Mélenchon).

Blair and Bush are of no relevance to this election, so stop trying to trivialise what Putin has done by shoehorning them in 😂😂😂

It has everything to do with the western mindset! The UK and USA terrorise the middle east for century's killing millions of innocent civilians.

Yet we constantly attack Putin, which we should but our leaders are no better!

How about the fact that the US, UK and french leaders all support Israel in the genocide the Palestinian people???

I honestly hate how brainwashed western people are to their own countries heinous acts.

Cooper77 · 07/07/2024 23:11

I’m suspicious of this phrase ‘far-right’. It’s over-used. The BBC describe Le Pen as ‘faaaaar-right’ every chance they get (I’m surprised they haven’t started calling Farage ‘faaaar-right’ as well), but I’m not sure it’s accurate. Many of the so-called ‘far-right’ dictators were really socialists, it’s just that they mixed their socialism with extreme nationalism and militarism. I disliked Thatcher, but I’ve also seen her described as far-right. It’s just nonsense. She was an unpleasant person, and her policies created a nasty, greedy, me-first culture, but far-right? No, you can’t describe both her and the 20th-century dictators as far-right. She was as far from people like Mussolini and Hitler as you can get. They were all about the collective; she was all about the individual (especially the greedy, money-making individual).

I watched an interview with a French voter who said “we must stop the fascists,” but, again, what does that mean? A fascist is an intolerant bully who wants to impose his beliefs on everyone else. So far as I can see, the real fascists are the woke left. I have never met a right-wing fascist, and I have never witnessed a right-wing march or demonstration. However, I have met, and been intimidated by, plenty of left-wing fascists. The ‘far-right’ have very little influence, whereas the woke left pretty much run the universities, the arts, the BBC and the publishing industry.

People casually throw these words and phrases around without really considering what they mean.

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 23:14

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:09

It has everything to do with the western mindset! The UK and USA terrorise the middle east for century's killing millions of innocent civilians.

Yet we constantly attack Putin, which we should but our leaders are no better!

How about the fact that the US, UK and french leaders all support Israel in the genocide the Palestinian people???

I honestly hate how brainwashed western people are to their own countries heinous acts.

@Freyaaaa we are fighting against Putin - and holding Netanyahu in Israel to account - and also holding our own leaders to account. We can do both and we are doing both. We are not brainwashed. What do you suggest we do instead, if you think we are handling things so badly?

79Helene · 07/07/2024 23:15

People casually throw these words and phrases around without really considering what they mean.

You literally just referred to the "woke left".

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:15

Cooper77 · 07/07/2024 23:11

I’m suspicious of this phrase ‘far-right’. It’s over-used. The BBC describe Le Pen as ‘faaaaar-right’ every chance they get (I’m surprised they haven’t started calling Farage ‘faaaar-right’ as well), but I’m not sure it’s accurate. Many of the so-called ‘far-right’ dictators were really socialists, it’s just that they mixed their socialism with extreme nationalism and militarism. I disliked Thatcher, but I’ve also seen her described as far-right. It’s just nonsense. She was an unpleasant person, and her policies created a nasty, greedy, me-first culture, but far-right? No, you can’t describe both her and the 20th-century dictators as far-right. She was as far from people like Mussolini and Hitler as you can get. They were all about the collective; she was all about the individual (especially the greedy, money-making individual).

I watched an interview with a French voter who said “we must stop the fascists,” but, again, what does that mean? A fascist is an intolerant bully who wants to impose his beliefs on everyone else. So far as I can see, the real fascists are the woke left. I have never met a right-wing fascist, and I have never witnessed a right-wing march or demonstration. However, I have met, and been intimidated by, plenty of left-wing fascists. The ‘far-right’ have very little influence, whereas the woke left pretty much run the universities, the arts, the BBC and the publishing industry.

People casually throw these words and phrases around without really considering what they mean.

I think far right is a term used by the media to anyone who goes against the liberal agenda.

I remember seeing BLM rioting in USA, many buildings burnt down and over 50 deaths in in the protest yet the BBC described the riots as "mostly peaceful"

I remember seeing the BLM riots in London where a police officer got punched in the face by a protestor and the BBC labeled it "passionate protest".

The list is endless.

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 23:20

Cooper77 · 07/07/2024 23:11

I’m suspicious of this phrase ‘far-right’. It’s over-used. The BBC describe Le Pen as ‘faaaaar-right’ every chance they get (I’m surprised they haven’t started calling Farage ‘faaaar-right’ as well), but I’m not sure it’s accurate. Many of the so-called ‘far-right’ dictators were really socialists, it’s just that they mixed their socialism with extreme nationalism and militarism. I disliked Thatcher, but I’ve also seen her described as far-right. It’s just nonsense. She was an unpleasant person, and her policies created a nasty, greedy, me-first culture, but far-right? No, you can’t describe both her and the 20th-century dictators as far-right. She was as far from people like Mussolini and Hitler as you can get. They were all about the collective; she was all about the individual (especially the greedy, money-making individual).

I watched an interview with a French voter who said “we must stop the fascists,” but, again, what does that mean? A fascist is an intolerant bully who wants to impose his beliefs on everyone else. So far as I can see, the real fascists are the woke left. I have never met a right-wing fascist, and I have never witnessed a right-wing march or demonstration. However, I have met, and been intimidated by, plenty of left-wing fascists. The ‘far-right’ have very little influence, whereas the woke left pretty much run the universities, the arts, the BBC and the publishing industry.

People casually throw these words and phrases around without really considering what they mean.

Keen to find out what you mean by ‘woke left’ and what you mean by a ‘left-wing fascist’. How did you know they were fascists?

Also, your point about the woke left running most of the UK’s institutions is an incorrect and unfair conspiracy theory.

Thatcher wasn’t far right - but Farage and Le Pen are. They are anti-immigration to the extreme and they are traditionalist and conservative (rightwing) to the extreme. Their extreme conservatism - both socially and economically - makes them far right.

1dayatatime · 07/07/2024 23:21

@Sakura7

"It's a broad left wing alliance that won."

Of the left wing alliance the far left La France Insoumise under Jean-Luc Mélenchon was the largest party.

Acapulco12 · 07/07/2024 23:22

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:15

I think far right is a term used by the media to anyone who goes against the liberal agenda.

I remember seeing BLM rioting in USA, many buildings burnt down and over 50 deaths in in the protest yet the BBC described the riots as "mostly peaceful"

I remember seeing the BLM riots in London where a police officer got punched in the face by a protestor and the BBC labeled it "passionate protest".

The list is endless.

I don’t understand the link between the far right and your thoughts on how the BBC covered the BLM protests. I also don’t see any evidence of a liberal agenda in the media.

paperrocksiscissors · 07/07/2024 23:25

Cooper77 · 07/07/2024 23:11

I’m suspicious of this phrase ‘far-right’. It’s over-used. The BBC describe Le Pen as ‘faaaaar-right’ every chance they get (I’m surprised they haven’t started calling Farage ‘faaaar-right’ as well), but I’m not sure it’s accurate. Many of the so-called ‘far-right’ dictators were really socialists, it’s just that they mixed their socialism with extreme nationalism and militarism. I disliked Thatcher, but I’ve also seen her described as far-right. It’s just nonsense. She was an unpleasant person, and her policies created a nasty, greedy, me-first culture, but far-right? No, you can’t describe both her and the 20th-century dictators as far-right. She was as far from people like Mussolini and Hitler as you can get. They were all about the collective; she was all about the individual (especially the greedy, money-making individual).

I watched an interview with a French voter who said “we must stop the fascists,” but, again, what does that mean? A fascist is an intolerant bully who wants to impose his beliefs on everyone else. So far as I can see, the real fascists are the woke left. I have never met a right-wing fascist, and I have never witnessed a right-wing march or demonstration. However, I have met, and been intimidated by, plenty of left-wing fascists. The ‘far-right’ have very little influence, whereas the woke left pretty much run the universities, the arts, the BBC and the publishing industry.

People casually throw these words and phrases around without really considering what they mean.

You don't think Reform or Le Pen are not far right but 'the woke left pretty much run the universities, the arts, the BBC and the publishing industry....

Yet you believe, 'People casually throw these words and phrases around without really considering what they mean.' .....I say no more...

Fawful · 07/07/2024 23:29

1dayatatime · 07/07/2024 23:21

@Sakura7

"It's a broad left wing alliance that won."

Of the left wing alliance the far left La France Insoumise under Jean-Luc Mélenchon was the largest party.

But the other Front Populaire candidates added together (from the Green, Parti socialiste parties etc) amount to more than LSI's...

paperrocksiscissors · 07/07/2024 23:32

Freyaaaa · 07/07/2024 23:15

I think far right is a term used by the media to anyone who goes against the liberal agenda.

I remember seeing BLM rioting in USA, many buildings burnt down and over 50 deaths in in the protest yet the BBC described the riots as "mostly peaceful"

I remember seeing the BLM riots in London where a police officer got punched in the face by a protestor and the BBC labeled it "passionate protest".

The list is endless.

Thanks for the update @Freyaaaa ,

theres me thinking far right were white nationlists who believed the white race was getting replaced by brown people and thought Muslims were controlling London and the mayor of London (like a new Reform MP)

Thanks for setting me straight its just anyone who's against ' liberal agenda.'😂

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