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To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

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bagpuss90 · 06/07/2024 16:44

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

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ThatsAFineLookingHighHorse · 06/07/2024 20:09

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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You clearly no absolutely nothing about epilepsy or seizures but are happy to spout off assuming the worst just because the driver appeared to have money. Not a good look on your part.

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:10

Hedgeoffressian · 06/07/2024 20:08

That is an absolutely disgusting comment. I voted YABU but you can’t say that someone is more likely to be guilty because they have a lot of money.

They are more likely to be innocent as we can see.

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:10

Doyoumind · 06/07/2024 20:08

Is there evidence of that?

I heard the interviews on Thursday and it did feel there was more to it so I'm interested to hear the outcome of the review once it's completed.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but it's naive to think the outcome couldn't be better for someone with means and knowhow than someone working class and poor.

So you think she paid off the medical experts? That’s the only way that her ‘means’ could have influenced the decision of the CPS, as their decision was based on her medical diagnosis.

godmum56 · 06/07/2024 20:10

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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wrong and nasty.

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:11

ThatsAFineLookingHighHorse · 06/07/2024 20:09

You clearly no absolutely nothing about epilepsy or seizures but are happy to spout off assuming the worst just because the driver appeared to have money. Not a good look on your part.

It's a good look on her part to still be selling those cars though.
There was a photo of her on msn that's still stored by google and she's still working in car dealership giving smiley interviews.
These people have no shame.

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:13

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:10

So you think she paid off the medical experts? That’s the only way that her ‘means’ could have influenced the decision of the CPS, as their decision was based on her medical diagnosis.

She just got high quality advise and guidance from qualified lawyers. Like "are you sure you were not having a seizure"?

Hedgeoffressian · 06/07/2024 20:13

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:11

It's a good look on her part to still be selling those cars though.
There was a photo of her on msn that's still stored by google and she's still working in car dealership giving smiley interviews.
These people have no shame.

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Who are ‘these people’ that you refer to? People who have money or happen to drive nice cars?

lemmein · 06/07/2024 20:14

TattiePants · 06/07/2024 18:34

So for those doubting she had a seizure, what’s the alternative, that she purposely mounted the kerb, drove through a fence and straight for a group of children & adults? Anyone that saw the aerial photographs will see she drove in a straight line from the fence to the school. Even if she was distracted enough to mount the kerb and crash through the fence, an automatic response would be to swerve which she didn’t do. The investigation will also have checked her mobile phone and whether she braked.

Yeah I don't really understand what people think happened if they don't believe the epilepsy explanation??

SloaneStreetVandal · 06/07/2024 20:14

Is it the norm for police to present their evidence to any third party who asks (in this case, the school staff)?

If this wasn't a fee paying school, I can't imagine school staff would participate in this type of (incredibly sketchy) conjecture (I've saw the quotes from the bereaved parents about justice not being served, however it seems there is nothing more than gossip to suggest it wasn't a medical episode).

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:15

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:13

She just got high quality advise and guidance from qualified lawyers. Like "are you sure you were not having a seizure"?

Do you think you can get a medical diagnoses of epilepsy just by suggesting to a Dr that you think you may have had a seizure?

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:15

Hedgeoffressian · 06/07/2024 20:13

Who are ‘these people’ that you refer to? People who have money or happen to drive nice cars?

People who kill kids with cars of a certain brand and go on selling these cars like nothing happened. All smiles.
It's just surreal.

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:17

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:15

Do you think you can get a medical diagnoses of epilepsy just by suggesting to a Dr that you think you may have had a seizure?

Of a seizure yes, of epilepsy - I think there should be an EEG prove. But as someone mentioned above, media are not always accurate in diagnoses.

lemmein · 06/07/2024 20:19

What do you think happened then @Sirine1708 ? How do you explain her not swerving if she was fully conscious?

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/07/2024 20:19

Daffodilsandbagels · 06/07/2024 19:01

If she had been driving a Nissan micra, the chances of her killing two little girls would have been much, much lower. (SUVs are actually 8x more likely to kill children than smaller cars.) We really need a movement against urban SUVs - they should be taxed and licensed out of existence in cities. They kill children and they are killing the planet - and for what? So people can drive ridiculous status symbols around.

It really really wouldn't have been.

Those statistics showing that big SUVs are more dangerous are achieved by crash tests that involve the car driven at a child sized test dummy - standing up in front of the vehicle - clear space beyond them.

In such tests SUV's tend to be more dangerous as the kid gets knocked down and pulled underneath.

In smaller vehicles that same standing child would go over the bonnet.

These tests are also done at lower speeds, above a certain speed point, it doesn't really matter what vehicle hits you, you're likely to die.

However in this case the vehicle went through a fence and hit a table full of SEATED children and almost immediately into a solid wall, the side of the school.

ANY vehicle in this case, would almost certainly have killed whoever was in its path, child or adult.

As for the poster stating 'if she ever gets behind the wheel of a car again....'

You'll do what? Exactly?

Make a criminal of yourself I assume?

Because if she does it'll be perfectly legal I am sure, along with the myriad other people with stable, treated epilepsy, who drive. Are you going to threaten all of those people too?

BobbyBiscuits · 06/07/2024 20:20

@PinkSparklyPussyCat I feel she had a very good lawyer. If a working class benefits claiming woman in an old banger had an unexplained one off 'seizure' during a similar incident I doubt she'd have got off as lightly.

Labmum · 06/07/2024 20:22

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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Incorrect. It comes in so many forms and can develop at any point in your life and can be affected by any number of other factors.

A friend developed seizures in her sleep. She is now medicated, has no seizures and can and has driven for many years since with no issues.

My husband prevented a tragedy occuring where the driver of the car in front was having a seizure and the car was drifting into a busy junction. Thankfully it was summer so the driver had his windows down and my husband managed to reach through the window and pull the handbrake on to stop the car. Another blessing is it happened close to a hospital and he was able to immediately flag down an ambulance.

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 20:25

lemmein · 06/07/2024 20:19

What do you think happened then @Sirine1708 ? How do you explain her not swerving if she was fully conscious?

I see no point discussing this woman anymore after seeing she still sells the same brand of cars she killed children with. Hope parents will get justice sooner or later.

ThePerkyDuck · 06/07/2024 20:25

lemmein · 06/07/2024 20:14

Yeah I don't really understand what people think happened if they don't believe the epilepsy explanation??

An automatic response can differ for different people, some swerve, some brake , some may step on accelerator instead of braking in a moment of confusion.

LastTrainEast · 06/07/2024 20:25

BobbyBiscuits · 06/07/2024 18:39

I do but she didn't receive a strong enough punishment. They said she had an epileptic seizure, but she's never had one before? So it can't be diagnosed as epilepsy. Alcohol withdrawal? I don't know. But it's just horrendous.

You don't get a punishment unless you commit a crime and fortunately the medical profession (and most other people) know more about seizures than you do.

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:25

BobbyBiscuits · 06/07/2024 20:20

@PinkSparklyPussyCat I feel she had a very good lawyer. If a working class benefits claiming woman in an old banger had an unexplained one off 'seizure' during a similar incident I doubt she'd have got off as lightly.

The decision of the CPS was made based on the medical evidence and diagnosis. Nothing to do with lawyers at this stage of proceedings.

TitusMoan · 06/07/2024 20:25

The school staff are referring to something which isn’t explained. They aren’t calling for the driver to be prosecuted. Their words as reported don’t make sense unless there is something else that hasn’t been made public.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 06/07/2024 20:26

There is a very good documentary series on BBC on crash scene investigations. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b0b056g3/the-crash-detectives

The evidence wouldn’t just be the medical information but also the car, any sign of braking / accelerating, and dash cam footage from others cars etc…

There is an episode where a driver has a seizure, after lots of investigation they do prosecute as she took medication knowing it wasn’t safe (if I remember correctly),

It is tragic for the parents and the police should have kept them informed better but they are not entitled to private medical information.

The Crash Detectives

Following Gwent Police's dedicated forensic collision investigators

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b0b056g3/the-crash-detectives

Chocolatecrispsandwine · 06/07/2024 20:28

I had a seizure a few years back. No warning at all and I was very lucky that I was at home at the time. It’s actually pretty common, so common in fact that the local hospital ran a ‘first seizure’ clinic. I understand that the parents of the girls who sadly died are very, very upset but sometimes there is genuinely no one to blame and the fact that they are going after the poor lady who caused the accident is awful.

Razorwire · 06/07/2024 20:33

LemonBitter · 06/07/2024 16:54

YANBU but from what the parents said in the media the police were VVVVV unreasonable for not keeping the families in the loop whatsoever for months.

True true.
The police won’t tell you anything until the final decision. (And often early on family is lead to believe that there will be visible justice).

OnTheShelfie · 06/07/2024 20:34

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

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My friend’s ex had his first epileptic fit in his early 30s. Epilepsy is a common neurological disorder and can affect people of all ages.

I feel horrifically sorry for all involved here.