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To actually feel sorry for the woman driving the car in the Wimbledon car accident

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bagpuss90 · 06/07/2024 16:44

I’m sure I’ll be flamed here . I totally sympathise with the bereaved parents- I can’t stress that enough. I can understand them wanting justice . As we know the driver of the car suffered an epileptic seizure at the wheel - she had no history of epilepsy. I don’t see what she could have done differently. She has to live with what she did although it wasn’t her fault. AIBU to feel quite sorry for her ?

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blueshoes · 06/07/2024 19:31

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 06/07/2024 18:30

And who do you think should be allowed to see the evidence, i.e. the poor woman's medical details? Professionals, the parents, or should it be made public to satisfy a bunch of pitchfork wavers on social media?

A judge.

The decision to prosecute or not by the CPS can be challenged by Judicial Review.

ThePerkyDuck · 06/07/2024 19:32

TattiePants · 06/07/2024 19:29

The image is from the article linked earlier in the thread. Distracted might be mounting the pavement and knocking over a pedestrian or driving through a red light. She knocked down a pavement barrier, mounted the kerb, knocked down a fence and continued in a straight line through a group of people until she crashed into the building. At no point did she swerve and a witness (same article as photo) said the car seemed to accelerate not brake. The police will know what speed she hit the building and if she applied her brakes.

Have you never had an animal run out on you when driving? I have and it’s really hard not to swerve as it’s instinctive. Now imagine that’s a group of people in your way.

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Are you a forensic collision investigator?

SemperIdem · 06/07/2024 19:33

Guavafish1 · 06/07/2024 19:30

Being wealth would have made a difference.

How corrupt do you think our judicial system is, exactly?

Ozanj · 06/07/2024 19:33

Karmaisagod · 06/07/2024 19:27

The more I think about this case, the more conflicted I become. Is this a case of bereaved parents grieving over such an unthinkable, painful event that they're seeking answers and blame where there are none? Or is there a thinly veiled implication that something is amiss with the driver, the diagnosis and the lack of prosecution? Would this be feasible? Could the medical evidence be faked, or a fierce lawyer husband intimidate the police?

The police have self-referred for investigation and the headmistress / other parents have alleged she was known to speed and also struggle to control her car. So I’d say there’s more going on here than meets the eye.

wagram · 06/07/2024 19:33

marigoldandrose · 06/07/2024 19:22

@wagam

"'Zero understanding', 'not entitled'? Not exactly dripping with compassion are you?
Please explain to me how the driver's data privacy is more important than their daughters' lives? Not their fault if the Law is an ass. What the parents are 'entitled' to, surely, is to be at peace with the conclusions of the enquiry, wouldn't you say?"

It's nothing to do with compassion and you're the only one comparing the two

But I disagree with you, the horrific tragedy of their daughters death does not and should not entitle them to view medical data of third parties especially not without express consent

I also don't presume to think anything will bring the parents peace with the investigation because they want someone to pay for it, understandably however that's not how the law works in these circumstances.

Beyond that I disagree completely with the headteachers giving the interview they did

Oh; 'the horrific tragedy of their daughters death does not and should not entitle them to view medical data of third parties especially not without express consent' - there you go - easy enough isn't it? Why not give your consent if you have nothing to hide and everything to prove, having just mowed down two little girls?

'they want someone to pay for it': that's really feeble condescending tosh, adding insult to injury.

blueshoes · 06/07/2024 19:35

Ozanj · 06/07/2024 19:33

The police have self-referred for investigation and the headmistress / other parents have alleged she was known to speed and also struggle to control her car. So I’d say there’s more going on here than meets the eye.

Good. It is important that these issues are aired even if they are ultimately dismissed. Decisions by the police must be accountable.

coldcallerbaiter · 06/07/2024 19:37

I can see it from both sides.

The parents feel someone must pay a price for the deaths.

I wouldn’t want to go to jail for a first time seizure. Would the parents want to go to jail if they had been the driver? What would it achieve?

One good point in favour of driverless cars.

blueshoes · 06/07/2024 19:39

wagram · 06/07/2024 19:33

Oh; 'the horrific tragedy of their daughters death does not and should not entitle them to view medical data of third parties especially not without express consent' - there you go - easy enough isn't it? Why not give your consent if you have nothing to hide and everything to prove, having just mowed down two little girls?

'they want someone to pay for it': that's really feeble condescending tosh, adding insult to injury.

Agreed. Why doesn't this woman give consent for her medical reports to be disclosed to the family?

I assume she is regretful, so why not do that. Is she really regretful - surely she would be advised to say that - or more concerned that she is not prosecuted.

TattiePants · 06/07/2024 19:39

ThePerkyDuck · 06/07/2024 19:32

Are you a forensic collision investigator?

Why would I need to be? The image very clearly shows where she entered the school grounds and where her car stopped. The article also shows the direction from which she travelled. I also said that the investigators will know her speed, if she braked and will have witness statements.

Karmaisagod · 06/07/2024 19:40

Ozanj · 06/07/2024 19:33

The police have self-referred for investigation and the headmistress / other parents have alleged she was known to speed and also struggle to control her car. So I’d say there’s more going on here than meets the eye.

It would be monstrous if someone's wealth and power enabled them to evade punishment in a case like this. The sort of thing that you can imagine happening in the US, but hope wouldn't happen in Britain.

Equally, it would be cruel beyond belief to compound an innocent person's trauma by putting them through the torture of prosecution if they genuinely couldn't have helped it and had to live with the guilt forever.

It's a tough one.

Talapia · 06/07/2024 19:41

Ihopeithinkiknow · 06/07/2024 17:42

My son died aged 22 in 2022 after being hit by a car it was a complete accident and it is a really terrible thing to go through and my heart hurts for the person that has to live with this forever and my heart hurts for me because I lost my beautiful son, there are no winners but I do feel for the family in what I know is an awful thing to have to come to terms with

I am so sorry, what a terrible loss.

If the Met were known to be trustworthy and thorough, maybe the families would have fewer concerns...
Who knows what information they were given.

Seizures can occur at any age. This may later lead to a diagnosis of epilepsy.

I agree with posters who are saying we need to look at the necessity, and safety to the pedestrian of such large powerful vehicles. Would the outcome have been same if the vehicle was a ford fiesta or equivalent..

Very sorry for the families of the girls who lost their lives.

PineappleCake100 · 06/07/2024 19:47

Recall an article which included the woman's husbands name.....he was a senior equity investment banker.

Feel for the woman. But looking at all the evidence and the woman's husband can throw money at the case....

Interestingly, tried to recall the article and his name is no longer mentioned...

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 19:50

I hate the assumption that just because someone is wealthy they’re corrupt and dishonest.

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 19:51

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 19:50

I hate the assumption that just because someone is wealthy they’re corrupt and dishonest.

Oh no, they just can afford the proper justice.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 06/07/2024 19:53

A friend of mine had an epileptic seizure - no history of it at all, and no warning. Luckily she was at home and had friends staying.

Apparently you can get ‘late onset’ epilepsy - not uncommon in over 60s.

My friend was banned from driving for an initial 6 months, subject to review and all sort of tests, but that was over 2 years ago and she’s never had an episode since.

I forget who said it, but I do agree about all the bloody great cars like tanks in urban areas. We are not a million miles from Wimbledon, and they’re everywhere. For a start, IMO, they should be paying extra road tax - they must be causing more wear and tear than normal cars, never mind taking up too much room in car parks!

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 19:54

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 19:51

Oh no, they just can afford the proper justice.

There won’t have been any ‘justice’ involved yet though. The CPS decided not to prosecute based on the medical evidence, so unless people are suggesting she’s paid off Drs/medical experts then her money has absolutely nothing to do with it.

marigoldandrose · 06/07/2024 19:55

PineappleCake100 · 06/07/2024 19:47

Recall an article which included the woman's husbands name.....he was a senior equity investment banker.

Feel for the woman. But looking at all the evidence and the woman's husband can throw money at the case....

Interestingly, tried to recall the article and his name is no longer mentioned...

Ignoring the fact that the children were attending a private school suggesting their parents aren't exactly on the breadline either

olivehater · 06/07/2024 19:57

Can someone explain to me why the expensive Range Rover didn’t stop when it hit the gates. Where was the automatic braking system?

ThePerkyDuck · 06/07/2024 19:59

TattiePants · 06/07/2024 19:39

Why would I need to be? The image very clearly shows where she entered the school grounds and where her car stopped. The article also shows the direction from which she travelled. I also said that the investigators will know her speed, if she braked and will have witness statements.

And based on a single picture you can tell how an accident happened.

SouthernFashionista · 06/07/2024 20:03

I am just amazed that she managed to swan around the village and neighbourhood for the past year, as well as find time to give an interview to an interiors blog about her designer bathroom. Takes all sorts I suppose. I reserve my sympathy for those bereaved parents.

SouthernFashionista · 06/07/2024 20:05

Ozanj · 06/07/2024 17:46

The headmistress told parents she’d made complaints about this particular woman speeding before and was shocked the police hadn’t investigated further. There was no evidence at the time of seizures or her passing out. The police have referred themselves for investigation so more info may come.

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That is shocking. So she had prior form for speeding around. Do we know where she was actually coming from at the time of the crash? Had she been playing golf? There’s not much in the direction whence she came beyond a golf club.

ItsAlrightDarling · 06/07/2024 20:05

SouthernFashionista · 06/07/2024 20:03

I am just amazed that she managed to swan around the village and neighbourhood for the past year, as well as find time to give an interview to an interiors blog about her designer bathroom. Takes all sorts I suppose. I reserve my sympathy for those bereaved parents.

What do you mean by ‘swan around’? Should she not have been leaving the house?

Doyoumind · 06/07/2024 20:08

SouthernFashionista · 06/07/2024 20:03

I am just amazed that she managed to swan around the village and neighbourhood for the past year, as well as find time to give an interview to an interiors blog about her designer bathroom. Takes all sorts I suppose. I reserve my sympathy for those bereaved parents.

Is there evidence of that?

I heard the interviews on Thursday and it did feel there was more to it so I'm interested to hear the outcome of the review once it's completed.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but it's naive to think the outcome couldn't be better for someone with means and knowhow than someone working class and poor.

Hedgeoffressian · 06/07/2024 20:08

Sirine1708 · 06/07/2024 17:11

I think it's a very convenient diagnosis - human brain is so complex, they can't prove she didn't have a seizure. Never heard of a person diagnosed with epilepsy at 40 though - I believe if you have it, it starts at the childhood.

This driver lives in a detached house in Wimbledon (worth millions in that area) and her car was not the cheapest one so apparently she could afford good lawyer and suitable diagnosis.

Edited

That is an absolutely disgusting comment. I voted YABU but you can’t say that someone is more likely to be guilty because they have a lot of money.

ExterminatingAngel · 06/07/2024 20:08

I agree. These cars are so big. I’m in the states where they are very popular. The messed up thing is that in order to feel safe yourself you need to get a bigger car. I wish people wouldn’t get these vehicles in the first place