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The icing on the cake. 22 year old son seeing woman 20 years his senior.

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Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 20:42

The background: Our youngest son left school with few qualifications, he’s not dumb but not academic. He began a 3 year apprenticeship but after 2 years and 8 months he got the sack for bad time keeping. He is now 22 and works in a bar, from that environment and the people he works with he began smoking weed over a year ago which continues even at work with his colleagues. He has been offered cocaine there also though he says he declined this. His personal hygiene standards are appalling, his clothes are so awful I dare say even a tramp is better dressed, his room resembles a tip, he’s pretty gobby, opinionated and will not take any advice from anyone in the family because he’s fine with the way he lives and feels he has the right to do as he pleases with his life. He lacks self discipline or respect for anyone. He is the polar opposite to our other 3 children who range from 25 to 37, and we feel as though we have completely failed as parents with him.
We are on the whole deeply unhappy with the situation, the house smells of weed ( he stores it in his room) our clothes also smell of it as it permeates from his clothing onto ours in the washer. He isn’t allowed to smoke it in our house but when we were away on holiday he did. We sought drug counselling and decided not to ask him to leave because we feared we would drive him further toward a darker way of life. He certainly cannot afford to rent somewhere and pay bills.
Anyway he came in one Sunday morning recently and after saying Hi and exchanging a few pleasantries he dropped into the conversation that some woman customer had waited for him to finish work, he then went home with her, they had sex, he came home and now he was now off to bed to catch up on his sleep! I was a bit shocked and enquired about her, he said he doesn’t want to date her, she’s in her 40’s and that’s probably the end of it. We haven’t experienced this before with our other kids and whilst I appreciate he’s got the right to see whoever he wants and do what he wants, we as Christian’s are struggling with this as it’s way off our own moral compass (not that we profess to be whiter than white) but we have tried to raise our kids to respect other people, respect themselves, encouraged healthy relationships and spoke of sex within a loving committed relationship rather than promiscuity. Last night he came home from work and said he was heading out to see screw her again. My husband and I feel that if this is to continue he has to leave our home, we are 62 and 59 and really don’t need this shit forced upon us. Am I being unreasonable to have these concerns and want him to leave or should we put up and shut up in order to maintain positive steadying influence in his life?

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MoveToParis · 04/07/2024 20:47

I think the woman is the least of his issues to be honest.

He has somehow failed to launch and needs to get back in track with that.
If he feels he has launched then he can get (and pay for) his own place.

Excited101 · 04/07/2024 20:47

You seem more worried about your son seeing a 40 year old, than you do about him smoking illegal drugs, disrespecting your space and not having a decent support network around him!

Who he sleeps with is his business, not yours. But the drugs are clearly affecting you and your household. You won’t be able to help him quit though, unless he wants to. Chuck him out if you want to, but it’s likely to encourage a druggie lifestyle when he winds up on dodgy friends sofas and/or dealing for extra cash.

Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 21:23

Excited101 · 04/07/2024 20:47

You seem more worried about your son seeing a 40 year old, than you do about him smoking illegal drugs, disrespecting your space and not having a decent support network around him!

Who he sleeps with is his business, not yours. But the drugs are clearly affecting you and your household. You won’t be able to help him quit though, unless he wants to. Chuck him out if you want to, but it’s likely to encourage a druggie lifestyle when he winds up on dodgy friends sofas and/or dealing for extra cash.

I’m not more worried about it, I aimed to show a full overview of his life, to us the sleeping around with someone twice his age highlights another dimension to the car crash he’s become. I would much prefer for him to get to know people in his own peer group and settle into a loving respectful relationship than the promiscuous one that he’s embarked upon!

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Theweepywillow · 04/07/2024 21:26

Ach he is an adult he can sleep with who he pleases. The odd thing is him telling uou.

Maray1967 · 04/07/2024 21:30

Throw the weed out. No one keeps weed in my house. Tell him you will search his room regularly and bin any that you find. If he doesn’t like that, he can move out.

I wouldn’t be as worried about his sex life.

Willyoujustbequiet · 04/07/2024 21:33

Has he ever been assessed for ADHD?

HappierTimesAhead · 04/07/2024 21:34

I don't have any advice but just wanted to say you haven't failed as parents. Your other children haven't followed the same path. It just sounds like he is going to take a lot longer to mature

Theweepywillow · 04/07/2024 21:35

Maray1967 · 04/07/2024 21:30

Throw the weed out. No one keeps weed in my house. Tell him you will search his room regularly and bin any that you find. If he doesn’t like that, he can move out.

I wouldn’t be as worried about his sex life.

This has confused me, are you her landlord? I assume so as you seem to be indicating he’s keeping weed in your house?

glassoven · 04/07/2024 21:37

YABU about the woman
YANBU about the drugs

Schoolchoicesucks · 04/07/2024 21:38

The woman would bother me less than the lack of prospects, self-care and respect for his parents and their home.

Have you spoken to him about his future plans? Does he have any? Does he know that living with you, smoking weed, not pulling his weight around the house etc isn't an option long term?

Buttoneyed · 04/07/2024 21:38

Your priorities are a bit skewed here I think. Him sleeping with someone is really none of your business (although I appreciate it’s difficult when he keeps informing you about her)

but to say his sex life (which doesn’t affect you in your home) is why you’d kick him out as opposed to the drug use (which does affect you in your home) is odd

GreenClock · 04/07/2024 21:44

He can have sexual relations with whomever he likes, in a committed relationship or otherwise. That’s not for you to judge. Your Christian faith is irrelevant.

Brunging drugs into your home is a different matter. Highly disrespectful.

I don’t think they having a bar job at age 22 is too bad although I’d expect him to be making career plans in a year or two.

westisbest1982 · 04/07/2024 21:45

You deny it but it does read you’re more bothered about him sleeping with a 40 year old woman than the drugs.

I can’t believe him having a consensual relationship with another adult is a factor (the only factor?) in you potentially kicking him out, that’s pretty horrible and you could drive him away for a long time. The relationship could never recover, I’ve seen it happen.

Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 21:48

Buttoneyed · 04/07/2024 21:38

Your priorities are a bit skewed here I think. Him sleeping with someone is really none of your business (although I appreciate it’s difficult when he keeps informing you about her)

but to say his sex life (which doesn’t affect you in your home) is why you’d kick him out as opposed to the drug use (which does affect you in your home) is odd

Ok just to be clear, it was after speaking to the drug counsellor that we decided at that time not to ask him to leave for fear of pushing him away from us and not knowing that he was safe wherever he ended up. We consider now that his behaviour is declining further and this promiscuity is the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak.

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Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 21:50

Willyoujustbequiet · 04/07/2024 21:33

Has he ever been assessed for ADHD?

No, how might this be relevant please?

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Willyoujustbequiet · 04/07/2024 21:55

Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 21:50

No, how might this be relevant please?

As the mum of dc with ADHD some of the things you've listed are traits. Including poor choices and risk taking.

If it is ADHD then medication can often turn people's lives around. It might be worth digging deeper.

IhateSPSS · 04/07/2024 21:56

Promiscuity is when you sleep with several people at once - he seems to be starting to have sex with her regularly?

I know this doesn't align with your Christian values but does he hold Christian values? What you think is intolerable is different to what he thinks.

I do understand how hard it is to have a child who is going off he rails, my 20 year old DS1 is at uni, vapes weed and thinks he knows everything. It's a phase, I was similar (but took much harder drugs) at that age and I really was promiscuous (I slept with lots of different people regularly) and I've turned out okay. Got a husband, a career and 3DC. My DP's gritted their teeth and kept patience with me and thank goodness they did - sometimes you have to play the long game to preserve your relationship. I remember a psychiatrist in hospital after I overdosed (yes, I was really that bad!) telling my poor parents that he sees a lot of early twenties people in a mess but by 26/27, if they are bright and from a supportive family they turn themselves around. I did. And it sounds like your DS will.

IhateSPSS · 04/07/2024 22:00

And it has been suggested that I may have undiagnosed ADHD so @Willyoujustbequiet may be onto something...and DS1's DF has ADHD too and he often says he thinks he might have it. So that may be something your DS might want to explore. It's too late for me but it might help our DS's.

Nottherealslimshady · 04/07/2024 22:00

He can shag who he wants. He wouldn't be storing or using drugs in my house.

Does he contribute financially and contribute to the household? He can do what work he wants so long as he's respectful at home and contributing.

Tooshytoshine · 04/07/2024 22:01

I think there is a lot wrong here.

He needs to live within his means to give him a push on and a motivation. Or he lives by your rules...

You say that you are concerned he will go down a darker road but he is a 22 year old in a state of arrested development still rebelling against his parents by shocking them with tales of his sex life. He is a scared little boy.

Call his bluff.

Onelifeonly · 04/07/2024 22:03

Maybe he's rebelling against you and your 'very different' other children. Or maybe, as the baby of the family, he's has not been subject to the same expectations to be more mature. Or he has ADHD or some form of mental health issue. The weed could indicate unconscious self medication.

Personally I think he still needs you. He's not in a position to move out financially or practically, given his chaotic approach to life which is more like that of a teenager.

Plenty of people his age work in bars or similar jobs, plenty also smoke weed though it's not something I'd advocate and plenty experiment with different sexual partners. The lack of self care could be something like ADHD or depression.

He hasn't turned out (yet, anyway) as you expected but you haven't really described anything that is harming you (other than the smell of weed, which I agree is horrible - can he keep it in a closed container, maybe outside in a shed or something?)

I believe parents of adult children should be supportive unless such a position is completely untenable.

MarvellousMonsters · 04/07/2024 22:05

Maray1967 · 04/07/2024 21:30

Throw the weed out. No one keeps weed in my house. Tell him you will search his room regularly and bin any that you find. If he doesn’t like that, he can move out.

I wouldn’t be as worried about his sex life.

This.

justasking111 · 04/07/2024 22:08

Maray1967 · 04/07/2024 21:30

Throw the weed out. No one keeps weed in my house. Tell him you will search his room regularly and bin any that you find. If he doesn’t like that, he can move out.

I wouldn’t be as worried about his sex life.

This!!

Jackjackjackaroo · 04/07/2024 22:09

Sorry OP, but I have to agree with PPs here, your priorities seem so strange. The Woman in question might be lovely? She could be the change he needs to clean himself up and plan for the future? You seem very judgemental based solely on her Age.

Thedayb4youcame · 04/07/2024 22:14

Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 21:23

I’m not more worried about it, I aimed to show a full overview of his life, to us the sleeping around with someone twice his age highlights another dimension to the car crash he’s become. I would much prefer for him to get to know people in his own peer group and settle into a loving respectful relationship than the promiscuous one that he’s embarked upon!

OTHT she may sort him out.

While I appreciate it was ahem many years ago now, and society may have been different, the idea of my parents being so invested in the love life of the 22-year old me fills me with horror. I was very much living away from home by then, and even if I hadn't been, I would be mortified if my parents thought it was their place to tell me who I could see.