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The icing on the cake. 22 year old son seeing woman 20 years his senior.

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Mymothersfavouritegirl · 04/07/2024 20:42

The background: Our youngest son left school with few qualifications, he’s not dumb but not academic. He began a 3 year apprenticeship but after 2 years and 8 months he got the sack for bad time keeping. He is now 22 and works in a bar, from that environment and the people he works with he began smoking weed over a year ago which continues even at work with his colleagues. He has been offered cocaine there also though he says he declined this. His personal hygiene standards are appalling, his clothes are so awful I dare say even a tramp is better dressed, his room resembles a tip, he’s pretty gobby, opinionated and will not take any advice from anyone in the family because he’s fine with the way he lives and feels he has the right to do as he pleases with his life. He lacks self discipline or respect for anyone. He is the polar opposite to our other 3 children who range from 25 to 37, and we feel as though we have completely failed as parents with him.
We are on the whole deeply unhappy with the situation, the house smells of weed ( he stores it in his room) our clothes also smell of it as it permeates from his clothing onto ours in the washer. He isn’t allowed to smoke it in our house but when we were away on holiday he did. We sought drug counselling and decided not to ask him to leave because we feared we would drive him further toward a darker way of life. He certainly cannot afford to rent somewhere and pay bills.
Anyway he came in one Sunday morning recently and after saying Hi and exchanging a few pleasantries he dropped into the conversation that some woman customer had waited for him to finish work, he then went home with her, they had sex, he came home and now he was now off to bed to catch up on his sleep! I was a bit shocked and enquired about her, he said he doesn’t want to date her, she’s in her 40’s and that’s probably the end of it. We haven’t experienced this before with our other kids and whilst I appreciate he’s got the right to see whoever he wants and do what he wants, we as Christian’s are struggling with this as it’s way off our own moral compass (not that we profess to be whiter than white) but we have tried to raise our kids to respect other people, respect themselves, encouraged healthy relationships and spoke of sex within a loving committed relationship rather than promiscuity. Last night he came home from work and said he was heading out to see screw her again. My husband and I feel that if this is to continue he has to leave our home, we are 62 and 59 and really don’t need this shit forced upon us. Am I being unreasonable to have these concerns and want him to leave or should we put up and shut up in order to maintain positive steadying influence in his life?

OP posts:
TorroFerney · 05/07/2024 07:46

Tooshytoshine · 04/07/2024 22:01

I think there is a lot wrong here.

He needs to live within his means to give him a push on and a motivation. Or he lives by your rules...

You say that you are concerned he will go down a darker road but he is a 22 year old in a state of arrested development still rebelling against his parents by shocking them with tales of his sex life. He is a scared little boy.

Call his bluff.

Yes he’s testing boundaries/rebelling but at an older age. He knows the sex talk will push your buttons and it has. But agree with others, having casual sex isn’t a big deal. Telling you is very weird.

TheCadoganArms · 05/07/2024 07:46

Jk987 · 05/07/2024 07:39

Why do you think he's sleeping around and being promiscuous? You mentioned one woman! I think you're being uptight for expecting a 22 year old to only have sex in a long term relationship. You might be Christian but he doesn't have to be!

As for the weed and everything else you have every right to tell him to go and live elsewhere.

Having worked in the bar/night time economy in my 20s it is very easy to meet all sorts of people for casual flings. While I agree in this situation that your son shagging someone two decades their senior probably should the least of your worries I would not be thrilled about it either. Mumsnet always plays the 'they are an adult above the age of consent' card but I can't believe those people would be absolutely fine with their kids dating someone thar much older.

Uricon2 · 05/07/2024 08:24

Who shares that kind of information about their sex life with their parents, in that way? Especially parents who are obviously quite conservative in their views.

I can tell you. Someone who is trying to shock and upset (and it's working) It sounds like for whatever reason he's still in teenage rebel without a clue mode and at 22, it isn't a good look. His sex life is his own business and although it might not please you, the bigger picture of weed use, lack of motivation and disrespect for your space is more concerning and does impact on you. As long as he's able to stay at home, winding you up and causing outrage, he will continue to do so.

He's an adult. The kindest thing you could do is give him a deadline by which he needs to leave and stick to it. This trend of infantilising adults in their 20s, seeing them as much younger than they actually are, does them no favours at all.

Mongrelsrbeautiful · 05/07/2024 09:03

Is he ND? ADHD?

Toddlerteaplease · 05/07/2024 09:11

Jackjackjackaroo · 04/07/2024 22:09

Sorry OP, but I have to agree with PPs here, your priorities seem so strange. The Woman in question might be lovely? She could be the change he needs to clean himself up and plan for the future? You seem very judgemental based solely on her Age.

I was thinking the same. His hygiene can't be that bad, or she'd be nowhere near him! She could be a good thing for him. And sleeping with one woman, is hardly being promiscuous.

MimiGC · 05/07/2024 09:21

I agree with a PP - it's not that significant that he slept with a random woman, whatever her age, but it is significant that he came home and told you directly about it. He is provoking you.

Gilo2024 · 05/07/2024 09:39

Would you say the same is she was in her 20's....not sure what her age has to do with it. She might be the best thing that's ever happened to him.

Your son can do whoever he wishes, whenever he wishes (consensually of course) - you shouldn't control this. If you don't want to know about it, ask him to stop telling you but this will affect communication.

Your religion should not play any part in telling your son who he can and can't see.

The drug taking is more of a concern - all you can so is support him, refuse it in the house etc. He will eventually grow up, and when he does - you'll want a decent, mutually respectable relationship with him. If he doesn't grow out of it, you'll need to be there for him to help him.

He is an adult, and he makes his own choices.

YankSplaining · 05/07/2024 14:59

ImustLearn2Cook · 05/07/2024 06:32

@Mymothersfavouritegirl I think that your son is rebelling against your Christian values.

You can’t force him or even expect him to live by Christianity’s rules or force him/expect him to believe and have faith in any particular religion. Free will means the freedom to choose.

If you are a Christian then you would be familiar with the serenity prayer:

Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, courage to change the things that I can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Meditate on this. And accept that you cannot change your son. You can accept him for who he is, be a positive influence (ultimately it is up to him whether or not he is influenced by you), and love him.

Who he has consensual sex with (even though it goes against your Christian values) is not within your control.

Whether or not you allow illegal drugs in your house is in your control. It is your house, you can assert that boundary of what may or may not be permitted within it.

It’s not within her control whether he has sex, but it is within her control whether he has sex while living in her house. (Yes, I know he didn’t have sex in her house.) It doesn’t sound like he’s paying rent, he’s not a minor, and she’s well within her rights to say that he has to meet certain behavioral standards if he’s going to keep living there.

YankSplaining · 05/07/2024 15:03

Willyoujustbequiet · 04/07/2024 23:01

Yes that's true as one size doesn't fit all of course but some of the behaviours mentioned absolutely fit those that are recognised as very common traits.

I certainly don't think acknowledging that fact was worthy of an eye roll lol.

I re-read the OP, and focused less on the sex and drugs and more on the bad time-keeping, disastrous room, and being “gobby and opinionated.” Now those, you definitely recognize from my own life! I think you have a good point about potential ADHD.

babyproblems · 05/07/2024 15:04

Throw the weed out. You need to draw a very firm line on drugs.
the rest is less important. You are enabling him to continue as he is by allowing his behaviour with no consequences. I would go and find the weed and bin it. And set a firm boundary - no drugs in the house end of. I would also try and steer him into a different job or offer to pay for college etc. I’d try and take him to an open day and enroll him. Show him how much money he would need to rent or buy. Ask him what his plans to get there are and then help him come up with a structured plan to get somewhere other than where he is now. Easier said than done I know.. good luck x

Newname71 · 05/07/2024 15:18

MashMashGravy · 05/07/2024 07:10

This. My first thought was that he has ADHD. Impulsive behaviour, poor time management, executive dysfunction, chaotic messy bedroom, executive dysfunction where it comes to personal hygiene etc. I agree, it could be worth looking into ADHD, do a bit of research yourself about the condition and see if any of the symptoms ring true in relation to your son. Medication and support could be live changing.

It was my first thought too. Everything you describe above(apart from the lack of personal hygiene) reminds me of my 17 year old DS. He’s an over sharer too, tells me everything, and I mean everything. Even if he knows I’ll be annoyed he’ll tell me anyway. And as for the personal info he shares…. I do have to remind him from time to time that I’m his mum and maybe I don’t want to know everything😳

C1N1C · 05/07/2024 15:19

This is a fist-bump moment for the son :)

He's 22, scored a 40+ woman... he's enjoying life. I see this as 'go him' thing!

crostini · 05/07/2024 15:27

You think so little of your son. It's a sad read. What do you like about him? Do you ever spend intentional time together?

I do think you should lighten up. I don't think his behaviour is particularly shocking or abnormal and certainly nothing 'car crash'. I think your attitude towards him is not conducive to have good relationship in the future.

Lavender14 · 05/07/2024 15:30

Willyoujustbequiet · 04/07/2024 21:55

As the mum of dc with ADHD some of the things you've listed are traits. Including poor choices and risk taking.

If it is ADHD then medication can often turn people's lives around. It might be worth digging deeper.

I was also thinking undiagnosed ADHD. I think op maybe getting him a support worker might be a good option - someone he can talk to and think about his goals with on his own terms and it would take a bit off you. Doesn't even need to be drug specific maybe more tenancy management as he needs to build skills to live independently.

I think you need to agree some ground rules if he's to continue living with you. Eg he smokes away from home and doesn't bring it into your house, he keeps the place neat etc.

I do find it odd that he's being so very open with you when he knows you're not going to agree with his choices which makes me wonder if he's trying to stir the pot for some reason or rebel.

You don't really know much about this woman- she could be quite together and be good for him... only time will tell. But ultimately he is an adult and he'll make his own choices.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 05/07/2024 15:33

‘ He's 22, scored a 40+ woman... he's enjoying life. I see this as 'go him' thing!‘

Go him ,,precisely. Except not quite as you mean it.
🚴🏻‍♂️🗑

Tigertigertigertiger · 05/07/2024 15:48

All those saying his sex life is none of your business . Would you be cool with your 22 year old having sex with someone 20 years older ?

BingoMarieHeeler · 05/07/2024 16:27

Tigertigertigertiger · 05/07/2024 15:48

All those saying his sex life is none of your business . Would you be cool with your 22 year old having sex with someone 20 years older ?

I think the point is, most parents with 22 year olds would never know. Because who tells their parents that 😵‍💫

Spirallingdownwards · 05/07/2024 16:35

YABU in thinking the woman/relationship is the issue that makes you want to throw him out when it is drugs that are the issue and he can see screw as you so nicely put it.

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/07/2024 16:37

Tigertigertigertiger · 05/07/2024 15:48

All those saying his sex life is none of your business . Would you be cool with your 22 year old having sex with someone 20 years older ?

I don’t think parents have to like it. This is just casual sex. Lots of young men actively seek sex with much older women, it’s a badge of honour in some circles… not that I have personal experience.

Spirallingdownwards · 05/07/2024 16:40

Tigertigertigertiger · 05/07/2024 15:48

All those saying his sex life is none of your business . Would you be cool with your 22 year old having sex with someone 20 years older ?

My nephew who was 20 was seeing a lovely woman was 20 years older than him. He asked her to marry him every year and every year she would say if you still want to marry me when you are 30 I will. He did ask every year still and when he was 30 she said yes. He is now 36 and she is still 20 years older than him (but married for 6 years) so yes.

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