Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

[Wentie]

This isn’t a wind up. I’ve done countless different quiz type things and the policies I most align to come out strongly reform. I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me. Anyone have any actual facts or glaring holes that I might have missed?

Not sure how you can seriously consider voting reform when you haven’t even looked into the comments and actions of farage and numerous candidates regarding womens rights. You also need to remember they are highly unlikely to get into power so are saying a lot that’s completely un achievable

Just please don’t complain when they turn out to be the tories on steroids!

Obviously, I was answering someone who seems to think all immigrants are left wing and non-racists/xenophobic. Basically saying, "one of the Reform candidates where I am is non-British AND campaigns for Reform", as if that means Reform are not racist/xenophobic. So basically I agree with you. Immigrants are not monolithic, there are very conservative, racist/xenophobic immigrants just like they are people like that in the wider society. They will support any of the political parties, including Reform.

Almost a third think the OP isn't being unreasonable. Very interesting!

I have voted Reform because the NHS does need reform and we need limits on immigration.

Well what if their constituents have different or opposing views? Who does the MP 'fight for' if it turns out that all of the thousands of people they represent don't share a hive mind?

Well, obviously they'll tow the party - sorry, company - line, won't they?

"I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me."

Maybe put a cross against Reform, but subtly "spoil" your ballot paper. So all the agents have to see the paper to "agree" that it has been spoilt. That way the Tory will see they have lost a natural voter and you can have a "clear" conscience by voting for a party which aligns with your views, but at the same time not actually voting for them because you don't like Farage (maybe write that on your paper?).

One of their candidates (Kent) said women should not get free NHS because they live longer than men and that was because they had easier lives. When they died at same age average as men they can get it again! No kidding!

This is parody, Reform are not.

Wow my comments got deleted. Fairly sure all I said was that I was voting for reform and stated an actual reality that has happened on mainland Europe as one of my reasons. Highlighting what happens when these processes are not appropriately managed

I'd imagine they'd then listen to the loudest voice (or even who aligns with their views).
I'm not saying this is right but the real issue is the FPTP system

Well his brother donated to George Galloway party so not sure if they are backing Farage.

Well that’s obvious and goes without saying.

I just think migrants to this country as a basic requirement should respect British values and do their best to integrate.

Some people genuinely come to this country hating it.

Because you’ll be one of the people splitting the Tory vote so letting Labour win the seat - unless that’s your goal .

You have it correct when you say they'd be representing their own views.

Given that those standing for Reform have stated that women should be denied health care and that black people have lower IQs or that gay people are paedophiles, that's quite a worry.

How can their policies possibly appeal to you when they're just made up to fill a piece of paper?

Farage is a total nutter who just says things to cause division and hatred.

Seriously, their policies are not worth the paper they are printed on. He wouldn't know where to start in reality.

Vote Reform if that is what your head is telling you . It's your vote no one else's . No one has to know what you vote . It's no one's business anyway .

Labour have won anyway .

Things like this? Even overlooking everything else anyone has said?

https://x.com/GBGreatAgain/status/1808443912123560012

Edited to add link.

It is a free country to vote for who you wish OP, ignore the abuse that the keyboard warriors dish out here, I will be voting reform this morning, I am an adult and whatever party people wish to vote for even if I do not agree, I will not be throwing insults online as I am a fully grown adult. Have a great day everyone.

And? There are women who campaign against feminism, oppose abortion and advocate that women should be submissive to their husbands.

Some people align themselves with their oppressors. It happens all the time.

Farage is a fraud who loves Putin and Trump and is personally getting rich(er) from people hoping Reform because it’s a private limited company. He’s laughing at us. He doesn’t want to reform the NHS. He wants to dismantle it completely and replace it with a system based on private health insurance like the US, where medical costs are the single largest cause of bankruptcy. His party is riddled with racists and misogynists. If you think this grifter has any interest in helping women, the poor, sick or disabled, you are sadly mistaken. Vote anything but Reform. It’s a con.

To be honest OP, if you don't already know why you shouldn't vote for the latest incarnation of the Nigel Farage party, I'm not sure anyone on Mumsnet is going to convince you otherwise.

What about the ones under Oswald Mosley in the uk?

If you really believe that then YOU are the Nazi. Admit it, you’d love a little red book wouldn’t you?

So far nobody who is voting for Reform has come back to me on the comments made, by a standing Reform candidate, about women.

Here they are again. Can someone voting Reform (a party with just 16% female candidates) share their thoughts on how they're comfortable voting in a party that doesn't kick out someone who believes and publicly says the
below?

Beating in mind him not being kicked out means that Reform wants him to be able to sit in parliament and vote on policies including those specifically about the rights of women and girls.

His comments:

"Do you (women) think you could actually work and pay for it all too like good citizens?

"Men pay 80% of tax – women spend 80% of tax revenue. On aggregate as a group you only take from society.
"Less complaining please from the 'sponging gender'."

He added that women are "subsidised by men to merely breath (sic)".
In January 2022 he posted: "Men pay 80% of tax. Women take out 80% of expenditures.

"Square that inequality first by depriving women of healthcare until their life expectancies are the same as men, Fair’s fair."

In December 2021 he wrote female soldiers "almost made me wretch (sic)" and were a "total liability".'