Voting in an hour - tell me why I shouldn’t vote reform

[Wentie]

This isn’t a wind up. I’ve done countless different quiz type things and the policies I most align to come out strongly reform. I would previously have been a Tory voter. I don’t like farage and I do feel prejudiced against reform from what is portrayed in the media - but their policies appeal to me. Anyone have any actual facts or glaring holes that I might have missed?

Jonathan Pie summed it up on his latest video

I'm voting reform. I think we should bring back the death penalty - why should a rapist or murderer get to live a cushy life in prison at the tax payers expense.

If enough people vote for the policies that matter to them the more mainstream parties will have to adopt similar policies or die out.

They are not a serious political party. The "contract" is a load of completely undeliverable nonsense which Farage knows he will never have to come good on, but he can use to antagonise and rile up people stupid enough to buy into it. He's an agent provocateur, with no interest in actually bringing anything worthwhile to the UK politics scene, it's simply a vehicle for him to boost his own profile before he buggers off on his next grift, possibly the right-wing speaking circuit in the US.

Reform are not a democratic party, they do not elect leaders, they are a PLC owned by Trice and Farage. Everything about them is fraudulent.

They've been using bogus ads using dead peoples pictures to promote themselves. Plus x.com/bydonkeys/status/1808097149709680882?s=46

But that's still not saying why not to vote, can you give reasons. I'm interested in hearing them! I don't vote for labour because they're "left wing wankers" I don't vote for them because I don't agree with their policies especially ones regarding gender and taxes and their migration approaches (lack of).

A standing candidate (Ian Gribbin) said all of the below and was not booted out of the party. Can you really vote for a party that doesn't condemn this from someone who might represent them in parliament? Really?

His comments:

"Do you (women) think you could actually work and pay for it all too like good citizens?

"Men pay 80% of tax – women spend 80% of tax revenue. On aggregate as a group you only take from society.
"Less complaining please from the 'sponging gender'."

He added that women are "subsidised by men to merely breath (sic)".
In January 2022 he posted: "Men pay 80% of tax. Women take out 80% of expenditures.

"Square that inequality first by depriving women of healthcare until their life expectancies are the same as men, Fair’s fair."

In December 2021 he wrote female soldiers "almost made me wretch (sic)" and were a "total liability".'

x.com/supertanskiii/status/1808486372212175118?s=46

What makes them fascists in your opinion? I've seen that word thrown around a lot lately and I still haven't seen solid proof of fascism yet

Whilst it's not my party of choice for a number of reasons, I think its good that a party is coming out clear and hard on some of the big issues that matter to a lot of people so even though you may not want Reform to come into power, it is a useful signal to the more central parties on the strength of feeling on these issues.

The worry is always that you voteReform to show that you are fed up of the status quo and everyone else does the same and you get a Reform government with all that the manifesto brings.

So read that and vote that way if you are happy for someone to act on that brief in your name.

Last night an aggressive ‘women’s spaces’ advocate used the term ‘race card’. These people don’t give a shit about any human rights at all let alone women’s. It’s their chosen wedge issue to create division.

He always seems to have a pint in his hand. I wonder if he's a raging alcoholic? I don't really want a drunk for PM. But yeah vote for whoever you want OP, I personally want to vote for a more progressive party but we are all different!

(Not for the first time) I feel like MN is a whole different world to the one I live in. In real life, I don’t know anyone who would consider voting Reform. The candidate came into my school as part of a sixth form hustings and could barely form sentences, let alone explain policies. They’re literally a laughing stock.

Yet on MN, reform seems like a valid option? Is there really a risk from them?

The Blackshirts were led by Oswald Mosley @BorgQueen . Whether they were named for Italian fascists I'm not sure. But they were certainly British. I met elderly Jewish people who remembered the Battle of Cable Street.

Look up George Cottrell, Farage’s right hand man. Look at the crimes he has been accused of. Farage has said he agrees with Andrew Tate who is aggressively misogynist.

Personally I think their policies are what they think (some) people want to hear, they have no serious strategy as to how they will implement any of it. Like Brexit all over again. Where will the money come from?
The whole thing is a vanity project for Farage. They are set up as a company rather than a normal political party. The whole thing stinks.

In a democracy you have the right to vote for whoever you like. If you align with their policies then that’s who you should vote for. That their policies are abhorrent clearly isn’t altering your opinion so I can’t help but wonder why you think a bunch of mumnetters can. You do you.

A rapist won't get the death penalty. With Reform in charge, it's unlikely they'll see the inside of a prison cell.

Most death row prisoners spend years in prison before they are executed. It's certainly not a cheap option.

Do you know what their policies are regarding education, hospitals, climate? Have they got an actual plan for these (apart from suggesting all of these things would be better if the boats didn’t come over). Is there any substance to them as a party? Who is leading the policies on developing essential services? If you don’t know it don’t have confidence in them to manage these things effectively, why would you vote for them?

MN is full of party bots at this time of year, also lots of parents of kids who are in private school who are spooked by Labours VAT proposals so are campaigning for anyone but Labour.

Dont vote reform because they want to get rid of the Equality Act.

The equality act is the consolidation of the sex discrimination laws and race discrimination laws from the 70s and more recent laws protecting disabled people, and against homophobia and transphobia.
if he gets rid of this we will lose the protections in employment, schools and other public institutions.
It would then be legal to sack a woman for being pregnant, or to pay women less. It would be legal to throw people out of school due to race or to sack someone for being gay.

We would regress 50 years.

Well there was always going to be at least some far-right racist homophobic xenophobic misgynist halfwits that run on hate, so if that feels like you then go for it.

Personally I think we could all do better, its not even basic humaning, but if that feels like what you identify with then who am I to argue.

Very much this. They may have the odd policy that is superficially appealing (and a lot that aren't), but it's important to look at the philosophy behind them. Any stuff about protecting women will come from a place men should be 'men and women should be women' that doesn't align with my views on how actually people should not be held back by their sex.

I don't think you are saying anything here that would bother Reform voters (sadly).

Because they’re sexist and racist. If that’s also you then go for it!

Even without the issue that Farage didn't vet his candidates, so now has a bunch of racists and fascists standing for his party, there are still lots of reasons not to vote Reform.
Do you want to vote for a party which is actually a limited company, meaning that the leader is not elected?

1. Farage is clever enough that he knows he can promise the moon on a stick in his manifesto, safe in the knowledge that he will never have to put his money where his mouth is.
2. Farage is terrifyingly good at sounding convincing, even when he is talking complete crap. The whole "man of the people" act is bullshit as well - private school educated ex banker. I don't blame people for falling for it though - he is a terrifyingly good liar.

Ignore the haters, vote for the policies you want.